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Thread: Shoot the low birds...leave the high birds?

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    Shoot the low birds...leave the high birds?

    Following on from the pheasant season thread. guns are asked to leave hens so that, it is hoped, they will raise wild birds that can be shot the following season.

    However is there an argument that after, say, mid-December that if one doesn't shoot hens one should not "cocks only" but "low birds only" on the theory that if the low birds survive we are creating a low bird genetic trait that then gets passed on to next season's birds?

    Comments? Certainly I am not the first to make this "link", that we are selectively culling the best birds...the high birds....yet I've never heard of any shoot where this is carried out.

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    I suppose it would depend on there being a genetic link to being a 'high bird'? Rather than just something that particular bird does.

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    doesn't sound like a shoot I'd feel very safe on!
    Right where's those stones , I'll start !

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    There is some truth in wot ur getting at. And ur right in theory ur shooting at the strongest fliers so possibly best genetic's

    But it does ring in certain safety issues and also who really wants to shoot a low bird when a sporting bird was also shown, althou that does happen with cocks at this time of year. Also if u were paying for it it gets complicated different prices for different bird hieghts etc, just not possible really

    Thats why some game farms used to keep a closed flock and would keep the birds for laying all year in a roofed pen. Rather than catch up the birds that are left at end off season. But that obviously cost's money.

    It the same with the eternal quest for the elusive high flying strain that also holds well, everyone has there favourite pure breeds or mixes of different strains, but a lot is personal favourites and won't make that much difference

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    If we were talking wild bird only shoots I could perhaps understand this, but I guess those are very much in the minority these days. If you're buying in and putting birds down then no amount of tinkering with the genetics of the residual wild bird population is going to have much effect.

    I do recall an article in one of the shooting magazines talking about shooting low birds when safe to do so because "they are never going to fly any better".

    Personally I think it might be worth experimenting where possible with changing the way you drive birds in January, on the basis that by then the smart ones will have figured out what's going on. Drive them in reverse, or position the guns differently, and you might find that things improve. Accepting that can turn out to be an expensive experiment if the birds don't co-operate .

    I do wonder some times why the peg positions are sometimes not changed to reflect different weather conditions, but all too often hear that "that's the way the pegs have always been"
    O wad some Power the giftie gie us to see oursels as ithers see us!

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    Are the 'low birds' perhaps the smarter ones, who have figured out that they are less likely to be shot if they fly low?

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    Standing a peg on the keepers day had a few birds run past me and take off for the guys and their dogs picking up!
    The ones that are left have got to have learnt something to survive that long.

    Made me smile.

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    The downsides to shooting low birds are the very obvious danger hazards to your shooting companions and heavily shot inedible birds

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    Quote Originally Posted by countrryboy View Post
    There is some truth in wot ur getting at. And ur right in theory ur shooting at the strongest fliers so possibly best genetic's

    But it does ring in certain safety issues and also who really wants to shoot a low bird when a sporting bird was also shown, althou that does happen with cocks at this time of year. Also if u were paying for it it gets complicated different prices for different bird hieghts etc, just not possible really

    Thats why some game farms used to keep a closed flock and would keep the birds for laying all year in a roofed pen. Rather than catch up the birds that are left at end off season. But that obviously cost's money.

    It the same with the eternal quest for the elusive high flying strain that also holds well, everyone has there favourite pure breeds or mixes of different strains, but a lot is personal favourites and won't make that much difference
    Thats about as bang on the money As your gonna get
    I couldn't agree more
    regards pete

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    Quote Originally Posted by tackb View Post
    doesn't sound like a shoot I'd feel very safe on!
    Tack me old mate no probs with safety I would just make sure your pegged 40 yds away
    and insist on it being a 410 only day just for the low birds this weeks shooting times !!
    that way you wouldent feel it so much if a bit of shot came your way hitting all 6ft 6 and 20 stone
    or whatever it is you are
    Also I'd have a head start if you spat your dummy out and came charging my way As you've done
    once this season
    Regards pete

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