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    Essential reading for GWP newbie?

    Now Then.

    I'm about to pick-up a GWP pup and embark on training my first GWP for deer.! Help!
    Which book/training guide would you recommend as essential reading?

    Thanks.

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    Hi
    "Working dogs for deer" by Niels Sondergard, highly recommended. Factual and well explained.
    Regards
    reiver xxv

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    Hi
    I found Ian Dunbar's book, Before and after getting your puppy very helpful. Also Neils Sondergaards book, Working with dogs for deer, has a chapter on getting your puppy, and while it doesn't go into so much detail, he does take you on through the rest of training.

    I still like Guy Wallaces books.

    Good luck!

    Siggy

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    Them all! No only joking. I read through most books and took certain bits from them all. I think the most important thing is basic obedience. Mine took to walking at heel very easily and is happy to do so all day when stalking and will hunt all day at the pheasants. Don't listen to the horror stories that you will hear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by highland stalker View Post
    Them all! No only joking. I read through most books and took certain bits from them all. I think the most important thing is basic obedience. Mine took to walking at heel very easily and is happy to do so all day when stalking and will hunt all day at the pheasants. Don't listen to the horror stories that you will hear.
    +1 don't listen to the horror stories...and it might be a good idea to get all the books...something for it to chew! ;-)

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    I ordered the Guy Wallace book and the dog ate it before it hit the mat! There was a photo on here at the time.

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    I'm not particularly qualified as I have a HWV, but I'm bored, so thought I would reply anyway!!!

    You can read all the books you like, but the basics are where it's at for the first 12 months.

    Bond with the dog. Get him to trust you and want to please you. Make life fun, loving but disciplined, make sure he knows where the line is drawn. Always keep it positive.

    I am not a fan of Field Trials. I prefer a dog that uses it's natural instincts rather than one that is trained to work by remote control. He has to sit, come when he's told to and walk to heel. You have to be able to stop him when you want to. Most of all he needs to learn to use what he has naturally built into him. If that's all you achieve in the first 12 months that's good enough.

    I work mine on the birds and the deer. I'm not sure you can train a point into them, they just do it or they don't. He pointed his first grouse at 14 months and we do 10 days a year on grouse, pheasant or partridge. He was even pointing woodcock this season which impressed me.

    I haven't focused on blood tracking, but instead pointing deer, which he does very well. Once he has locked on he will not run in if the deer bolts, he will not run in to shot, he stays put until he's told to do something. The bag has been filled on more than one occasion because of my little early warning system. I tend to be a fairly careful stalker so he has never been asked to do a long track on a wounded beast, but on the few occasions that deer have run into heavy cover after the shot he has been on them very quickly, probably saving me a great deal of time and heart ache.

    He's not the best I'm sure, he's not classically trained, but he does a good job, enjoys what he does and is my little companion. And he sits on the sofa with me every evening wanting no more than to be with me. Many will frown, but it suits us.

    Enjoy your dog, but make sure the basics are well ground in for the first 12 months.
    So much to learn and so little time left

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    Must admit i've never been very imressed by most of the UK written HPR books, quite old fashioned written. Been a few years since i read them now but thought i prefered michael branders books. (The guy wallace book/phamlet working hors for deer? is a complete waste of time/ink/paper, only about 30 pages long so cheap, far more decent advice on here.)

    Songaards book is very good for tracking training thou.

    For basics ur as well reading a more normal gundog training book. The basics are really the same, just u'll find things a lot slower/more difficult than u would with a lab

    Bit pricey but Rory Major's DVD is very good, Tommy brechanny's dvd is ancient but really pretty good and training is pretty modern despite how old it is.


    Best advice is go for a lesson or 2, u've got Andy Cullen up ur way, meant to be very good with dogs and hpr's in paticular.
    Also joining a training club wether normal gundog or HPR and get some help from experienced folk, omly thing about that is the club is only as good as its trainers, been to 1 hpr club where not impressed by the trainers

    I'm still meaning to get down for a training day with andy sometime, meant to be 1 of the best along side rory and tommy.


    I agree with nigel above about FT's generally for other breeds (esp labs and even spaniels, FT offer very little to genuine working dogs) but Hpr FT's are still pretty much like a days walked up shooting and the dog that wins 1 is a dog u'd love to shoot over or work all day,and the dogs can and do work all day as many will do a lot of grouse counting.
    Althou FT is not really relevant for deer work, and also tend to breed faster more rangey dogs so possibly not so good for beating either

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    I don't agree with this

    . "I am not a fan of Field Trials. I prefer a dog that uses it's natural instincts rather than one that is trained to work by remote control".

    If your dog don't have natural instinct it ain't winning a trial.

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    How do you focus on pointing deer as opposed to blood tracking? would this come more from the use of the foot tracking contraption?

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