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    Money ..Money ... Money

    I was yarning to a few local farmers this week and the subject of what certificates if any do I need to go shooting came up. So I gave them the sob story of the level 1 £150, level 2 £300 , First Aid £120, ATV £180, Manual Handling £100, Chainsaw Cert £150 ........ it fair mounts up . These certificates I needed to tender for any FC ground but for most of us with shooting permissions on local farms and smaller forestry contracts know you don't need all of them. Then my mate who owns a farm pounced on me with ' is that all' and proceeded to show me a letter from his local Argricultural College stating course's that they would be" offerering" in the next few months to keep in line with new legislation and were looking for numbers. They were as follows - Trapping and Poisoning of Moles , 1 day course £375. Trapping and Poisoning of Rats and Mice , 1 day course £375 . The other one was for grass and crop spraying which he has and it was £700 for a 2day course, needless to say his son now need's the spraying cert so ...another £700. So to catch moles and rats on his own farm he has to have these certificates and if he get's caught with any poison used to kill the fore mentioned without the cert's he would loose his single farm payment.He is now going to look into getting a Pest Control firm . It's all getting out of control and sooner or later you are going to need a cert to wipe your own a....

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    What will happen is the course providers will price themselves out. It will go full circle and no-one will bother with them again. I've noticed lately, over the last couple of years, H+S seems to have died down in factories. Only had one customer who's job we couldn't / wouldn't do in the last 12 months and that was because we needed to work on another firms site. No-one asks us now what ppe equipment we have or for a risk assessment, we just go and do the job.

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    You should try being a self employed contractor doing tree work / felling for the Forestry Commission.
    The list is in fact pretty much endless. NPTC qualifications, buddy system, risk assessment, method statement, first aid qualification. Certified hiviz clothing, helmets, visors, ear protection, boots, trousers . . Quad qualification, Chemical spill kit. If you want to take a dump in the trees, they make you install a septic tank first.

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    well, you've got to be in it to win it chaps. When you think of the cost in buying a new pickup and the depreciation costs associated with new to 3 year old vehicle..... your certification costs are peanuts. So, is it too much of a hassle?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul at Fechan View Post
    well, you've got to be in it to win it chaps. When you think of the cost in buying a new pickup and the depreciation costs associated with new to 3 year old vehicle..... your certification costs are peanuts. So, is it too much of a hassle?

    Not arguing the point, just saying round here in the industrial world H+S isn't what it was. Can walk around big factories now without hard hat (not much use when a 20t coil hits you). Walk in and out of sites, work off ladders again. Haven't had boots checked for toecaps for ages (probably just as well). It had reached the stage where contractors were saying "do you want the job done or not?", and now it seems they do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cadex View Post
    If you want to take a dump in the trees,
    SITW level 1? (**** in the woods)
    what do you get with level 2
    two handed wiping?

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    Working for any major business in a "high risk" activity is incredibly expensive, our public/employers liability for industrial pipework is around £20k not to mention the numerous certificates and codings required.in my experience things have moved on from the H&S quagmire to a compliance quagmire instead!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rodp View Post
    Not arguing the point, just saying round here in the industrial world H+S isn't what it was. Can walk around big factories now without hard hat (not much use when a 20t coil hits you). Walk in and out of sites, work off ladders again. Haven't had boots checked for toecaps for ages (probably just as well). It had reached the stage where contractors were saying "do you want the job done or not?", and now it seems they do.
    That'll be fine until there's an accident, then fingers will be pointed and get out clauses will be found and the guy without steel toe capped boots will be the guy that's shafted, not H+S guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rodp View Post
    Not arguing the point, just saying round here in the industrial world H+S isn't what it was. Can walk around big factories now without hard hat (not much use when a 20t coil hits you). Walk in and out of sites, work off ladders again. Haven't had boots checked for toecaps for ages (probably just as well). It had reached the stage where contractors were saying "do you want the job done or not?", and now it seems they do.
    Done a big renovation on a house and got guys down to skim the whole house . They work for a bigger firm and H/S regs meant that when they were on sight plastering a ceiling they had to have a scaffold , harness , hard hat , gloves, and high viz at all times . It pissed them of the time it took to do a ceiling so when they came to do my ceiling's it was a pleasure for them to work as they wanted with nobody peeping round corners trying to catch them out, and they said freedom to work meant they could leave a quicker and better job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bugsy View Post
    Done a big renovation on a house and got guys down to skim the whole house . They work for a bigger firm and H/S regs meant that when they were on sight plastering a ceiling they had to have a scaffold , harness , hard hat , gloves, and high viz at all times . It pissed them of the time it took to do a ceiling so when they came to do my ceiling's it was a pleasure for them to work as they wanted with nobody peeping round corners trying to catch them out, and they said freedom to work meant they could leave a quicker and better job.

    That's what we're getting more and more now. Had some roller shutter blokes in last week, 16' up the ladder because they couldn't be bothered with a tower. Got to bring the tower now anyway but only because the motor's too heavy for one man to lift down the ladder

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