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    Could I justify this?

    Hi all, just one of my "out of interest" type posts again! Thanks for all your help with my questions so far. Very helpful forum.

    Ive been wondering how easy it would be to justify both a .22lr and a 17hmr. I know they're different but there's also quite a lot of overlap.

    The farm over which I intend to shoot has some grass fields with soft ground but is close to the village. The .22 would be ideal for rabbits due to less ricochet risk etc. Also, due to it being close to houses, the lack of sonic crack would be much appreciated.

    many of the arable fields are clay soil which bakes hard in the summer and therefore the 22 risks being pretty bouncy and dangerous here. Equally, the rabbits tend to be further away and I may want to take a safe shot at a close range fox with the 17hmr being more suited to this. The sonic crack is also no issue on these fields.
    What do you think my chances would be of justifying both?

    i was thinking I'd spend a bit of money on a decent 17hmr set up and then get a cheap second hand cz 452 or similar.

    Thanks

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    I think you'll be alright, lots of people have both and they're sufficiently different to not raise any eyebrows.
    Also note that the oft-quoted HO guidance states very clearly that good reason must not be equated to "need". You don't have to need a particular calibre to still have a good reason. For example I have a 270 and authority to acquire a 243. I don't need a 243 because my 270 will certainly kill anything that a 243 would, but deer stalking is my good reason for both calibres and it's perfectly acceptable to want two (or more!) rifles for the same purpose in different circumstances.
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    Thames Valley are not very happy about using a 17hmr on a fox and would rather you use a 222 or 243.
    You could always put down for centre fire and see what happens.
    I've got a Sako Quad with .22 and 17hmr barrel, which is a handy tool but a pain to re-zero........

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    Thanks chaps,

    I had assumed I wouldn't mention foxes to TVP at all and merely say vermin. I would think that it's still justifiable.

    Thanks

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    I think your logic is back to front. Or you've mis-written your first paragraph.

    . IMHO the richochet candidate is the .22LR! Have you tried any of the ultra velocity .22LR offerings? What distance are you shooting over? Are you eating the rabbits?

    I'd say that .22LR except in ideal circumstances is inhumane for fox. But hear good reports on the ultra fast .17 rimfire calibres. Is .17 HMR the powerful one? Or is that the other .17 rimfire?

    Lastly I'd be concerned in taking a shot where a possible richochet then becomes a possible hazard. As clearly...and this may then be used against you...it indicates that a shot on THAT land in THAT direction has been assessed by you as potentially unsafe.

    So be careful how you use the richochet argument to gain a .17 if in doing so you jeopardise your .22. But good luck. I think the calibres are different enough ti justify the two...especially as the .22LR is. a cheaper option for multiple culling of rabbits, rats, pigeons, and etc.

    Shooting decoyed pigeons with a .22LR and a moderator and old school slow sub sonics from a hide is good sport. As long as you shoot the bird with an adequate regard to a backstop.
    Last edited by enfieldspares; 26-02-2016 at 15:47.

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    I use both on the farm which also has houses nearby. I think that you can use both in the winter but I will tend to use the .22 with mod and subsonics in the summer on the fields that are close to houses as windows are more likely to be open and parents are trying to get kids to sleep and/or enjoy a sundowner or 2 in the garden. The .17hmr has proved invaluable at longer range to sort out some of the more alert vermin. If you are worried at all about backstops then you could put high seats up. atb Geoff

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    Quote Originally Posted by enfieldspares View Post
    I think your logic is back to front. IMHO the richochet candidate is the .22LR! Have you tried any of the ultra velocity .22LR offerings? What distance are you shooting over?

    Lastly I'd be concerned in taking a shot where a possible richochet then becomes a possible hazard. As clearly...and this may then be used against you...it indicates that a shot on THAT land in THAT direction has been assessed by you as potentially unsafe.

    So be careful how you use the richochet argument to gain a .17 if in doing so you jeopardise your .22.
    Yes, sorry, in my original post I've made a little bit of an error having read it back. The third paragraph should say that the .22lr would be ideal BUT there is an increased ricochet risk with the .22lr making it somewhat unsuitable on some of the land. The fields where I suggest the 22 would be more acceptable are much softer in nature and are also the ones closer to the houses. Hope that vaguely clears things up...
    Thanks for all replies so far!

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    Don't see why not.
    All my FEO said was "Make your case", and I was granted;
    1x .17hmr (Kent are happy with the calibre for fox), 1x .22lr for day shooting and one permanently set up for night shooting rabbits.

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    Dorset used (well still are) unhappy with 17HMR for fox but now follow HO guidelines as directed
    so i got 22 Rimfire for Vermin and 17HMR for Fox

    had a whole argument ready at he interview to justify 2 for vermin wasnt aware they had had their mind changed ) as one for use with Night vision as well as a Silent gun vis a longer range gun etc etc

    in the end was easy Fox as reason was sufficiently different so no problem

    I had applied for a 17Hornet as well in case the HMR was rejected

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    I have had both a 17HMR and a 22LR on my FAC at the same time with Lancashire Constabulary. There is no real reason why you should not have both as long as you have "Good Reason" for them in your application.
    I justified my "Good Reason" by using the 17HMR (With moderator) for longer distance shooting at rabbits and other ground vermin and had the 22LR (With moderator) for lamping rabbits with.
    As stated previously it is all down to how you word your "Good Reason" on your application.
    Good luck with your application!



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