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    A realistic picture of Brexit

    10 points to consider about Brexit and the EU Referendum - Dr Andy Williamson

    From someone who knows the detail.

    A slightly more logical view of it than some of the posts on here or the crap in some of the papers.
    So much to learn and so little time left

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    Quote Originally Posted by NigelM View Post
    10 points to consider about Brexit and the EU Referendum - Dr Andy Williamson

    From someone who knows the detail.

    A slightly more logical view of it than some of the posts on here or the crap in some of the papers.
    I take a strong dislike to being called ignorant because my opinion is different to his. I respect his opinion and although I don't agree with it, I won't be calling him ignorant.
    Handle every stressful situation like a dog. If you can't eat it, hump it or learn from it then piss on it and walk away.

    "HOSPITALITY" - the art of making guests feel at home (when you wish they were).



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    Opinion is fine. But to make a decision, you should look at facts! And if the facts do not support the opinion, then ignorance is a word one could use to describe the resulting situation. Irrespective of whether willful or accidental.
    Supporting the above, have a look at this.
    EU Referendum: British sovereignty and Europe - everything you need to know - Telegraph
    Scroll two third down if you want the summary on all the important area.
    As I've said before and will say again: There is nothing that a Brexit will solve!
    All we are doing is gambling our hard earned.
    Last edited by 375win; 27-02-2016 at 13:04.

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    So, where did he mention us HAVING to take immigrants if the eu say so at the moment, or the billions of we hand over, and, technically the The European Court of Human Rights could just be ignored if independent of the eu (I'm sure Russia bow to them)

    He's talking defeatist cr*p !

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    Quote Originally Posted by NigelM View Post
    10 points to consider about Brexit and the EU Referendum - Dr Andy Williamson

    From someone who knows the detail.

    A slightly more logical view of it than some of the posts on here or the crap in some of the papers.



    Pure arrogance.

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    When I read some of the contributions, it's almost like we're at the pub.
    Nothing to support the argument but vague generalizations picked from memory combined with a good dose of name calling and or outrage. It's lazy and boring. Well actually with a few pints of beer it's good fun.

    From the Telegraph article mentioned above:

    "Immigration
    Britain would be able to have total control over its borders and decide who can come in, but it would be forced to compromise on this if it wants to still trade with the continent.
    Switzerland is not part of the union, but is forced to accept unlimited EU migration in order to have any access to the single market, and has been locked in an intractable fight with Brussels in a bid to put a cap on the inflow. Norway isn’t part of the EU, but has a higher rate of migration than Britain since it is in the Schengen area.
    The UK could refuse to accept EU migrants and trade with Europe under WTO rules, but it would get the same commercial access as countries like China or Russia, and also have to pay external EU tariffs.
    Britain could seek to opt out of free movement and seek a “free trade agreement”, but it could still have to pay some tariffs and face barriers – like having to heed EU product standards – in order to export to the continent."

    Read the rest yourself and explain point by point where the authors or the experts they have cited are wrong. That would be really interesting.


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    Quote Originally Posted by rodp View Post
    So, where did he mention us HAVING to take immigrants if the eu say so at the moment, or the billions of we hand over, and, technically the The European Court of Human Rights could just be ignored if independent of the eu (I'm sure Russia bow to them)

    He's talking defeatist cr*p !
    "Defeatist", now there's an interesting word.

    We are not experimenting here, if the plan doesn't work we don't have the option just to opt back in and expect everything to be as it was. If we get this one wrong it's the future of the UK that's at stake. Get it wrong and we could cripple the , the economy, any glimmer of inward investment and manufacturing would all but disappear. Unemployment would go on the rampage once more.

    The keyboard warriors would all be up in arms about how badly the government was doing and how they wished they lived somewhere else.

    A vote to leave is a huge leap into the unknown, like playing the roulette table. A vote to stay keeps us at the table with a chance to influence how Europe develops. The odds on our own success are much better in than out.

    Europe isn't right at the moment, there are a lot of countries pissed off about the same things as we are, the bureaucracy, the immigration, the list goes on. Europe will have to change if it is to survive. It's not a reason to leave, it's a reason to fight to change the bad and take full advantage of the good, which is basically what the leaders of all the major parties are saying - love them or hate them.
    So much to learn and so little time left

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    Quote Originally Posted by NigelM View Post
    "Defeatist", now there's an interesting word.

    We are not experimenting here, if the plan doesn't work we don't have the option just to opt back in and expect everything to be as it was. If we get this one wrong it's the future of the UK that's at stake. Get it wrong and we could cripple the , the economy, any glimmer of inward investment and manufacturing would all but disappear. Unemployment would go on the rampage once more.

    The keyboard warriors would all be up in arms about how badly the government was doing and how they wished they lived somewhere else.

    A vote to leave is a huge leap into the unknown, like playing the roulette table. A vote to stay keeps us at the table with a chance to influence how Europe develops. The odds on our own success are much better in than out.

    Europe isn't right at the moment, there are a lot of countries pissed off about the same things as we are, the bureaucracy, the immigration, the list goes on. Europe will have to change if it is to survive. It's not a reason to leave, it's a reason to fight to change the bad and take full advantage of the good, which is basically what the leaders of all the major parties are saying - love them or hate them.
    You've more or less defined "defeatist" yourself there in that post

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    Quote Originally Posted by NigelM View Post
    10 points to consider about Brexit and the EU Referendum - Dr Andy Williamson

    From someone who knows the detail.

    A slightly more logical view of it than some of the posts on here or the crap in some of the papers.
    Good post.

    The Britexiters are as blinkered as the Yessers in the Scottish referendum - "it's all someone elses fault and we would have been better off on our own" - err, and please usexplain in a bit more depth please, we have been through a World recession after all. Their answer - "just because" is about as much as they came upwith , aka "a big boy did it and ran away"

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    Quote Originally Posted by rodp View Post
    So, where did he mention us HAVING to take immigrants if the eu say so at the moment, or the billions of we hand over, and, technically the The European Court of Human Rights could just be ignored if independent of the eu (I'm sure Russia bow to them)

    He's talking defeatist cr*p !

    That would also apply to the rights we currently enjoy regarding holday pay, minimum wage, sick pay, maternity/paternity leave etc. To think the Tories who are all about making money from big business and don't care about the working man and woman would still honour all of these is naive at best. What it doesn't mean is all of a sudden we'll stop immigration, no human rights for criminals and be able to deport hate mongers at the drop of a hat.

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