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    Training young Deer dog, help!

    Hi,

    Have a young pup Labradour 5 month old and looking to train him to track deer. I have 2 other dogs I use as beating and picking up dogs so have trained dogs to work before and work them throughout the season.

    The plan is to use the pup for guided stalking (if allowed) and on my own syndicate ( still working on the syndicate)

    Few questions:

    Any books dvds etc that people can recommend?

    Any dog trainers that specialise in deer tracking in north wales or north west?

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    A very simple to start your dog off is to get a broom Handle with a length of cord on like a fishing pole and tie a deer head to it , make a simple shot site with hair from the head, and with the wind behind you drag the head say 75/100m in a straight line. Leave 3/4 hours and go do the track making sure the pole and head are at the end and your pup is on a tracking lead.

    Long grass is a good place to start moving into forest at a later date.

    Your 5 month old pup should have little problem with this and with encouragement and at the end LOTS of praise and reward then pick up the pole and swing it about with the head on the other end and let the pup chase, they go nuts for it !!!

    Always ending success and your terms.

    Any my probs pm me your phone no I'll be happy to talk you through the next stages as required.

    Lee
    Last edited by leec6.5; 12-04-2016 at 05:55.

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    Hi,

    I'm sure that there is someone on the SD that can help you our in your area. If you really want something to watch you could try this from NZ

    Watch The Deer Dog Training Blue Print Online | Vimeo On Demand on Vimeo

    But be aware, what they do in NZ is very different from what they do in Europe. He has a YouTube channel as well:

    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCBd...AMiHymcFrIbraQ & Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/Big-Game-In...97910/?fref=nf

    Niels Sondergaards book cover the subject very well, or if you want a very simple out line Guy Wallace's book is only 6 from the BDS

    Bavarian Mountain Hound society hold training events regularly - your nearest would be Cannock I guess.

    Training Society of GB

    UK Scent hound association and UK Deer tracking and recovery should be able to help you out.
    https://www.facebook.com/UKSHA-502164506587351/
    UKDTR UK Deer Track and Recovery

    Hope the links work,

    Good luck

    Siggy

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    Thanks chaps

    good tip Lee I've only got some feet at the minute but due out on the Roe Bucks end of the month so will make sure I keep a head.

    Siggy good links they all worked! hopefully I find someone local to help out

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lewis T3 View Post
    Thanks chaps

    good tip Lee I've only got some feet at the minute but due out on the Roe Bucks end of the month so will make sure I keep a head.

    Siggy good links they all worked! hopefully I find someone local to help out
    Lewis you really need to be keeping away from roe in your training and sticking with red, fallow sika. roe with training will cause you issues further down the line when you start tracking for real, I have red cleaves and heads if you want and this weekend I will be in wales I need to find the address tonight and hopefully will be close if you want to call and collect to help you on your way, atb wayne

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    Wayne,
    Any chance you could expand on the roe causing issues please ?
    Nick

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    easier working with large species, roe smell different more enticing so working with red or say fallow and getting the groundwork set is far easier than training with roe as once a dog has chased, caught roe switching it off a hot roe scent is very very difficult and almost impossible.
    working a cold scent for say a red for real a roe gets up or even crosses the path the dog will want that chase it remembers or the enticing smell more than the harder work, stick to building the block work to a steady dog that will follow what you want and not what it really enjoys,Tracking is simple but go to fast or miss important parts and you will regret it in the long run. what i didnt say earlier today as i was in the middle of work,wounded roe deer can be a difficult track because of the nature they will back track and move through an area around and round it is hard for a dog the chances of you coming onto a hot scent with other roe is high the dog if not trained correctly will switch to the hot scent to chase as this is more exciting, also high game in the beginning is easier to lay a trail with more surface area and scent leaving a good signiture for the dog to follow, only work for success never not completing by making things too difficult in the beginning small steps forward gives a better outcome, people chase a longer track over a high timescale too fast and make it too difficult resulting in putting the dog off, atb wayne
    ps I am off to tregaron if you know anyone i can leave them with for you to collect or come direct.
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    Sounds good Wayne thanks let me know the address when you find out and I'll see how close it is.

    I'm in north wales so its about a 3 hour drive thanks for the offer Wayne very kind but a bit too far.

    ill have to book some stalking on fallow or reds! Soon.
    Last edited by Lewis T3; 12-04-2016 at 20:01.

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    Sent you a pm got what you need fallow. sika feet fallow head blood and fallow skin.
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    Gday Siggy. Do you know if we can purchase a digital copy of the 6 quid guy wallace book.

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