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    Here's a story the OUTS won't mention...

    Australia (yes, one of the countries the UKIP/BREXIT loonies say we will be able to get "special deals" with has announced a AU $ 50 billion contract for twelve submarines.

    The contract has gone to the French over bids from Germany and Japan. The "Commonwealth ties" and "special trade deal" loonies of UKIP/BREXIT should wake up. In the real world hard facts rule.

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    Quote Originally Posted by enfieldspares View Post
    Australia (yes, one of the countries the UKIP/BREXIT loonies say we will be able to get "special deals" with has announced a AU $ 50 billion contract for twelve submarines.

    The contract has gone to the French over bids from Germany and Japan. The "Commonwealth ties" and "special trade deal" loonies of UKIP/BREXIT should wake up. In the real world hard facts rule.
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    Not quite sure what point you are making and how this relates to BREXIT'ers, regardless of whether you consider them "loonies" or not? The UK wasn't competing on this bid.

    DCNS, a company that is majority-owned by the French state, offered a deal that supposedly guarantees that the subs will be built in South Australia. The other bids would have involved more of the work being off-shored. It is important politically to the current Australian government that jobs be secured in South Australia.

    The recent change in the Prime Minister of Australia also saw the Japanese bid go from first to last, so perhaps there was more than a little politics involved in the Australian decision?

    France, unlike the United Kingdom, is still very active in the Pacific area, even to the point of announcing a strategic partnership with Australia back in 2012: Joint statement of strategic partnership between Australia and France - Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade. The French Navy has a permanent maritime zone in the South-West Pacific, and regularly co-operates on exercises with Australia and New Zealand.

    So arguably the French, the French Navy, and the French Defence industry, have collectively done what the UK has failed to do since becoming beholden to Brussels, and nurtured their strategic relationships with the governments, countries and trading ties with the British Commonwealth?
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    Quote Originally Posted by willie_gunn View Post
    Not quite sure what point you are making and how this relates to BREXIT'ers, regardless of whether you consider them "loonies" or not? The UK wasn't competing on this bid.

    DCNS, a company that is majority-owned by the French state, offered a deal that supposedly guarantees that the subs will be built in South Australia. The other bids would have involved more of the work being off-shored. It is important politically to the current Australian government that jobs be secured in South Australia.

    The recent change in the Prime Minister of Australia also saw the Japanese bid go from first to last, so perhaps there was more than a little politics involved in the Australian decision?

    France, unlike the United Kingdom, is still very active in the Pacific area, even to the point of announcing a strategic partnership with Australia back in 2012: Joint statement of strategic partnership between Australia and France - Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade. The French Navy has a permanent maritime zone in the South-West Pacific, and regularly co-operates on exercises with Australia and New Zealand.

    So arguably the French, the French Navy, and the French Defence industry, have collectively done what the UK has failed to do since becoming beholden to Brussels, and nurtured their strategic relationships with the governments, countries and trading ties with the British Commonwealth?
    Well said.

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    It's a crying shame that successive British Governments haven't had the common sense and backbone to award contracts such as shipbuilding (and a host of other things) to British firms instead of slavishly obeying EU rules and putting the contracts out to tender. This short sighted and naive approach generally results in the contracts going to other countries and the decline of our own industries.

    You can by all means go through the pretence of looking at all bids unbiasedly, but still award the contracts your own industries - just as other countries usually do!!
    Last edited by paultap; 27-04-2016 at 06:01.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paultap View Post
    It's a crying shame that successive British Governments haven't had the common sense and backbone to award contracts such as shipbuilding (and a host of other things) to British firms instead of slavishly obeying EU rules and putting the contracts out to tender. This short sighted and naive approach generally results in the contracts going to other countries and the decline of our own industries.

    You can by all means go through the pretence of looking at all bids unbiasedly, but still award the contracts your own industries - just as other countries usually do!!
    + 1. . All those Billions of GBP £££'s over the last forty years could have been used to aid heavy manufacturing the UK was once so good at, rather than dumping them in the eurodosh box
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    Ironically this is exactly the type of scaremongering rubbish the IN brigade spout, no facts just say anything they think up to scare those without a single thought of there own into voting stay.

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    Not only have we little ship building left but most of what is left has probablt been sold to foreign companies. We cannot support the Australians as our navy is so small it has not got the ships ............................... another national disgrace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Conure View Post
    ..................................our navy is so small it has not got the ships ............................... another national disgrace.
    Could always ask 'Sir' (maybe not for long) Phillip Green to loan one of his yachts to help out? Just don't ask BHS pensioners to crew it.

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