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    Mentoring

    A pal asked me to mentor him with his new .243, I of course agreed.
    However this was refused by the FLB as I have a land restriction on my FAC, my land is passed to 308

    I am trying to pick the sense out of this,as I have attended the required Centrefire courses as set out by my local FLB, not that they even had a right insist on this, according to BASC

    However this is still not enough, and although he would be able to use my rifle under my supervision (correct ?), he would not be allowed to use his own to take the same shot.


    I have told him just to take his DSC1 and clear the matter once and for all, but it does show that certain FLB's are still making things up as they go along. As far as I can recall there is no statuatory requirement to attend any course whatsoever in order to obtain .243, or any other CF.

    Your points would be appreciated

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    hi poddle
    looks like there is an easy solution to this why not get your land restrictions lifted as if this is the reason you can't act as his mentor
    what are your land restrictions? if you don't mind me asking
    but still good advice to recommend the level 1 course as this should help your mate for years to come

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    Basically its the same old rubbish that is on all FAC.

    ie, land approved by the cheif of police, for that calibre, blah blah
    That apparently makes it a restricted license for the purposes of mentoring

    It never effects my shooting, as all the land I shoot is passed to 243 or above

    Like PeteE says tho, why ? it's stupid
    But to be a mentor in my area it's an open ticket or you can't do it.

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    poddle
    just a little confused, as these restriction are put in place to protect their butts aswell as your own, once you hav prooved you are capable of having an open ticket then it will be given, but not sure why they will not let you be a mentor, the only thing i can think of is if they think you are not suitable as a mentor if that is the case you need to sort that out as you say you hav level1 and your ground is passed upto .308 so in my eyes you are in the right
    is it because you hav not held a licence for long enough if so i can understand thier point of view,
    this is not a dig in anyway ,
    just i hav countersigned a fair few applications in my time and spoken to many different firearms licensing departments regarding the applicants but never had to act as a mentor or ever known of a applicant refused that i hav countersigned for the last one was in january this year
    just trying to get my head around this

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    This is my point Pete, as far as I can see, its just another backdoor resriction that has come out of nowhere.

    Stone, the big boss man has stated that ANY mentor must have an open ticket, that is the ONLY condition, irrespective of how many shots you fired or how long you have owned firearms, its that shallow and that cut and dry.
    Maybe I should get mine opened up. It has never affected me until now
    Just to add that my rimmy's were on open ticket until I did my saftey course, so as so clear the way for the 243, when it all came back guess what... they closed the ticket complety, including the rimmy's
    I have ignored it all untill now but maybe its time to bite back

    Just to add that my pal is returning to shooting after having 308 and 7.62 in previous years
    He also trained marines at the ranges when he was in the services.
    He was also a prolific homeloader.



    He only wants the rifle for fox, but is being forced into a firearms saftey course or a DSC1

    Nether of these are satutes in law, so why are they being imposed.?

    Its about time BASC dealt with this once and for all. Still I suppose that won't happen whist they are involved with DSC1 training, cutting off their noses I suppose

    Piss poor show from BASC
    backdoor rules being imposed, thats my opinion

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    [quote="poddle"]This is my point Pete, as far as I can see, its just another backdoor resriction that has come out of nowhere.

    Stone, the big boss man has stated that ANY mentor must have an open ticket, that is the ONLY condition, irrespective of how many shots you fired or how long you have owned firearms, its that shallow and that cut and dry.
    Maybe I should get mine opened up. It has never affected me until now
    Just to add that my rimmy's were on open ticket until I did my saftey course, so as so clear the way for the 243, when it all came back guess what... they closed the ticket complety, including the rimmy's
    I have ignored it all untill now but maybe its time to bite back

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    you may of caused yourself a lot of uneccassery grief here as when your ticket came back you should of pointed out the mistake on closing your ticket fo the rimmy as now you can only shoot on approved ground ,
    ie if you get more land to shoot on or buy a day's stalking
    if i am correct in what i say you will need a letter of invatation/permmission to pass on to the FLO so they can do a land check to make sure you keep within the conditions set on your ticket
    this means they hav control of where and what you can shoot
    if you intend to use your own rifles that is
    as your ticket was open before it should just be a phone call to help rectify this then sending your ticket back to get the conditions changed and also get it changed for your deer calibres at the same time
    ATB
    stone

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    What are the consequenses of shooting and being caught on a "Restricted/closed ticket" on land that has not been cleared?

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