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    No lead ban!

    No lead ban!
    Four key paragraphs in the Liz Truss letter to John Swift:
    Following receipt of your report, the Food Standards Agency (FSA) sought independent scientific advice from the Committee on Toxicity about the human health risk assessment within it. This advice, which has been in place since 2012, States:
    ... ‘To minimise the risk of lead intake, people who frequently eat lead-shot game, particularly small game, should cut down their consumption. This advice is especially important for vulnerable groups such as toddlers and children, pregnant woman and woman trying to have a baby’.
    With regard to the impact of lead ammunition on wildlife, we note that the report does not provide evidence of causation linking possible imparts of lead ammunition with sizes of bird populations in England.
    In both instances – human health and wildlife – the report did not show that the impacts of lead ammunition were significant enough to justify changing current policy; we therefore do not accept your recommendation to ban the use of lead ammunition.



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    Good news.Lead bans suck. Ask anyone living in California.~Muir

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    Is that "The People's Democratic Socialist Republic of California"? Or another place of the same name?

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    Quote Originally Posted by enfieldspares View Post
    Is that "The People's Democratic Socialist Republic of California"? Or another place of the same name?
    It is. Regions of California have had lead banned so. All on thin science.~Muir

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    if you want to read thin science read the LAG report now on their web site. leadammuntiongroup.org.uk

    The lead issue is like global warming all made up scientific ********.

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    It's odd that, in some matters, the US has less "shooting" rights (not to be confused with "gun" rights) than does the UK. An long standing 8 bore ban, a bag limit per person on deer and etc.

    OTOH you've truly open to the public hunting lands. Which we in the UK can only dream of having. Plus of course our 12 ft/lbs air gun restrictions. And our de facto muzzleloading prohibition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by enfieldspares View Post
    It's odd that, in some matters, the US has less "shooting" rights (not to be confused with "gun" rights) than does the UK. An long standing 8 bore ban, a bag limit per person on deer and etc.

    OTOH you've truly open to the public hunting lands. Which we in the UK can only dream of having. Plus of course our 12 ft/lbs air gun restrictions. And our de facto muzzleloading prohibition.
    Remember that lead bans, deer limits, etc are generally left to the States so it's not "The US" it's States within the US. The 8 bore ban comes from the banning of punt guns, from what i understand; I have no opinion on that one. Public lands are one of the best things we have and those pesky license fees pay for their upkeep as well as most of the public parks -many of which restrict hunting and shooting, but hunters support them. I bought upland game, General deer, General Elk, and B-Tag deer (extra deer tag) along with the required Sportsman's License and it cost me $33 for the year. Just in this state alone we have 30 million acres of public State/Federal land much of which can be hunted. I just look at my fees paid as a $0.0000011 per/acre yearly rental.~Muir

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    At that price Muir I would n't mind renting a couple hundred thousand acres. Where do I send the cheque?
    I suspect that although you have all that land to roam about freely with your rifle, shotgun, bow I'm sure there must be many thousands of acres where little or no game is to be found or where there is game there will be plenty of fellow hunters after your buck?
    Still you are lucky to have the chance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by woodmaster View Post
    At that price Muir I would n't mind renting a couple hundred thousand acres. Where do I send the cheque?
    I suspect that although you have all that land to roam about freely with your rifle, shotgun, bow I'm sure there must be many thousands of acres where little or no game is to be found or where there is game there will be plenty of fellow hunters after your buck?
    Still you are lucky to have the chance.
    Where I live in Montana we have more game than can be shot. Our residential population equates to one person per three square miles if I got my stat tidbit straight. Not everyone hunts. I have gone out at dusk and seen 40-60 deer just as a casual observance from the 9 miles of road out to my buddy's place. My girl friend and I counted over 300 deer in one day when we actually went looking -and then, these were only the ones visible from the road, and in one 20 mile loop of country road near Big Timber, Montana. (Home of the Sharps Rifles) It is hard not to see deer. I tend to hunt away from the farm lands up in the hills and I see deer, always.

    That said, you must see the species and gender your license is good for. (Our money also pays for on going population surveys) For the last few years Mule deer does have been off limits so you needed to find whitetail does and mule/whitetail bucks. Last year I shot a young mule buck in the Custer National Forest. I prefer does, always, but I had no "B" doe tag that year. Tho not my preference, he is tasty nonetheless. This year The General License is good for all species and genders. That will make my hunting somewhat easier. I will shoot a whitetail doe by first choice, and if I draw a B tag, I will shoot whichever species it allows with no qualms. And i have mentioned on this site, in my State, you are definitely limited to the number of permits you can apply for, and the number of drawings you are allowed to qualify for. I may shoot two deer, max in this State this year. If I want more venison, I will travel to my brother's place in South Dakota and shoot more whitetail. Compared to many of my UK brethren, this is not a great deer tally but we cannot sell or 'give' away a deer. We technically must remove it from the field and ideally, consume it ourselves. If I fill all my tags I will have two deer and a cow elk. That is more meat than one person can consume in a year. I rely on filling my freezer as do many people in my area. I have already begun my augmented off-hand practice with my T-3 7mm-08 and 308 rifles. I will shoot them 3-5 nights a week through hunting season's start.~Muir

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    The only place where lead shot should be banned is around water where water fowl pick it up.
    All else I see no real reason for banning lead in other ammo...

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