Dog related child death

patrickt

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Yet another dog inflicted death tragedy, a young boy has been savaged to death by a dog, woman has been arrested.

Is it not about time dog owners to have compulsory Public Liability Insurance, and for a test "for good reason" to own a particular breed of dog that has a prepensity to be aggressive, hostile or the like!. Or do we just have to accept that dogs bite and maim, or even worse

This is the second dog related death in as many weeks. Imagine God forbid, if these had have been firearms related, accidental, or not, then Iam sure there would be a huge Public ground swell of hostility towards the legally held firearms owners in this country. Do we really have to endure the situation where we have irresponsible individuals with dogs dangerously out of control, or is it not time for a completely different approach to the owning dogs
 
It's a tragic and needless event, and I couldn't agree more with the suggestion that some sort of 'test' needs to be put in place. This is happening far too often, and in every case I can think of the owners appear to be the type of stupidly-irresponsible people that shouldn't be allowed to take charge of a stuffed-toy, let alone a potentially-dangerous animal. But, while it's easy to blame the dog regardless of its breed, almost without exception there's a series of events leading up to attacks such as these. I hazard a guess that the toddler was constantly pestering the dig and the owner wasn't there to either stop the behaviour, or see the warning signs. But again, this comes down to sheer irresponsibility on her behalf, and highlights the dangers of leaving ANY dog alone with a young child. Children don't recognise when their behaviour with a dog is leading to a potential bite (or worse). I even keep a close eye on my perfectly lovable and docile Labrador when she's with small children, and they're NEVER allowed to continue bothering her if she's showing signs of wanting to be left alone.

Yes, there needs to be a test!
 
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2/3 of the attacks are by staffies. Staffies should definitely be a banned breed. Pointless breed IMO that every Chav owns which straight away leads to indiscriminate breeding Yes I know that this tragic attack didn't involve a staffie but they usually do!
 
More people are bitten by Labradors than any other breed, however the lab is the most popular breed in the country so that's why.

It's not a breed problem, it's an owner problem.
 
More people are bitten by Labradors than any other breed, however the lab is the most popular breed in the country so that's why.

It's not a breed problem, it's an owner problem.

We hear that statement all the time but that's of no help to the victims when another staffie has attacked them! The fact that the owner or breeder was a Chav is of no great comfort!

Perhaps read this Jack Russell tops cops’ list of dogs most likely to bite humans The Sun

Labs don't even get a mention. Regardless, there is one thing being bitten but quite another to be seriously injured. Staffies make the papers on this front almost weekly. I can't remember seeing a lab attack in the papers ever?
 
More people are bitten by Labradors than any other breed, however the lab is the most popular breed in the country so that's why.

It's not a breed problem, it's an owner problem.

Really, I'd like to see proof of that as I've never heard of anyone being bitten by a lab.
 
I have to say it's an owner problem rather than breed problem , Staffies do seem to be the breed in the papers the most for attacks but you only have to look at the type of ownership they have.I know that's a very stereotypical statement but most Staffies are owned by tracksuit wearing dole dossers

i also know that that statement tars a lot of respected people with a Staffie that is very well socialised and behaved


the other statements about you shouldn't trust a dog with a child is a term used widely

personally if an owner has doubts that there dog may bite a child then they will probably bite anyone and they are not really a dog you could trust

Most owners will know what there dogs behaviour is like and what the dog would do in most situations
 
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breed IMO that every Chav owns

Staffies can be wonderful dogs. Not at all fair to blame any breed in particular. I honestly think the owners are to blame almost in entirety. Yes, Staffies may have more potential to cause serious damage than a Yorkie, for instance, but bad owners lead to bad pets . . . . .
 
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Dogs should be kept on leads when not on the owner's own property unless they have specific permission from the landowner
 
Dogs should be kept on leads when not on the owner's own property unless they have specific permission from the landowner
Oh have a word with yourself. That's the sort of comment that I would expect from a townie, not from a country sports person!
 
Dogs should be kept on leads when not on the owner's own property unless they have specific permission from the landowner


Have to say I agree with this 100%

In fact, I would go so far as to say that a licensing system should be introduced whereby someone must be able to show that they've got access to sufficient private land (either their own or written permission of a landowner) to exercise whatever breed of dog they intend to keep. Therefore, someone with only a fairly small garden might only get permission for a fairly small, docile breed of dog. And so on. Not so very different to the system whereby a "closed" FAC is issued, in fact.

The number of people keeping large breeds of dogs for absolutely no purpose (except perhaps as a status symbol), and with no land to exercise them on is ridiculous, and public access areas of open land are often either unsuitable (due to farming activities etc), or "over dogged" to the extent that no-one can use these areas with any pleasure.

(And no, Baguio, I'm not a "townie", I'm a sheep farmer who's sick to death of the behaviour of irresponsible / thoughtless dog owners).
 
Oh have a word with yourself. That's the sort of comment that I would expect from a townie, not from a country sports person!

Sorry wots wrong with keeping dogs on leads?? Would solve a lot of problems.
Does the law/countryside code not state that?? Dogs should be kept on a lead OR under close control at all times. U could mibee argue that long leads aren't even close control.
Many keepers and farmers would also have an easier life if that did happen. Next we'll be telling them to stick to footpath's

U could argue most shooters would (hopefully) hopefully have dogs well trained enough to do that without a lead.
On the nature reserve no matter how many birds nesting and red squirrels signs we put up most folk don't have dogs on leads.


While there is no doubt the owners are very responsible for a dog biting but so too is the breed. U cannot isolate the breed completely some dogs will always be more likely to bite/attack. Many breeds have been selectively bred for that just as ur labs spaniels have been selectively bred for shooting.

Always mind speaking to the trainer doing a demo at a game fair afterwards, he had 60 gun dogs in his kennels yet his house dog was a staffy.
 
Have to say I agree with this 100%

In fact, I would go so far as to say that a licensing system should be introduced whereby someone must be able to show that they've got access to sufficient private land (either their own or written permission of a landowner) to exercise whatever breed of dog they intend to keep. Therefore, someone with only a fairly small garden might only get permission for a fairly small, docile breed of dog. And so on. Not so very different to the system whereby a "closed" FAC is issued, in fact.

The number of people keeping large breeds of dogs for absolutely no purpose (except perhaps as a status symbol), and with no land to exercise them on is ridiculous, and public access areas of open land are often either unsuitable (due to farming activities etc), or "over dogged" to the extent that no-one can use these areas with any pleasure.

(And no, Baguio, I'm not a "townie", I'm a sheep farmer who's sick to death of the behaviour of irresponsible / thoughtless dog owners).
I too hate out of control dogs VSS but there are plenty of open Council owned spaces around where I live that is open to all. The fact that idiots think they can walk across farm land with loose and out of control dogs is not a reason to punish the rest of us! The punish everyone because of the minority is an ignorant approach. Punish the guilty but not the innocent.
However, I agree that plenty of these pointless status symbol dogs should be banned and a licence and DNA system would also be brilliant and would clean up our country! To me Staffies are both pointless and a status symbol and should be banned.
 
Maybe make it a condition of council houses that you can only keep a dog of [specified breeds] there, which must be chipped and insured, and leave all the status dogs off the list. Would solve a lot of issues, without affecting the granny who wants a Pomeranian or the family who want a lab.
 
Really, I'd like to see proof of that as I've never heard of anyone being bitten by a lab.
I got bitten two months ago by a black lab when I was talking to his owner .
the dog was on the lead at the time .That was only the second time I have been bitten not due to me being a idiot the first was by a collie farm dog.I have been among dogs for over 47 years
 
Maybe make it a condition of council houses that you can only keep a dog of [specified breeds] there, which must be chipped and insured, and leave all the status dogs off the list. Would solve a lot of issues, without affecting the granny who wants a Pomeranian or the family who want a lab.


Why not simply state "no dogs"? Lots of private landlords do this.
There are very, very few people who actually need to keep a dog.
 
I got bitten two months ago by a black lab when I was talking to his owner .
the dog was on the lead at the time .That was only the second time I have been bitten not due to me being a idiot the first was by a collie farm dog.I have been among dogs for over 47 years


First one I've ever heard of to be honest. Did you raise your hand or something without thinking ? Not as it should really be an excuse for him biting you, just wondered if there was a logical reason.
 
My wife had a four inch hole torn out of her thigh by a lab.t he owner wasn't keen to wait and leave contact details. I would not blame the dog but the owner

Really, I'd like to see proof of that as I've never heard of anyone being bitten by a lab.
 
Dogs should be kept on leads when not on the owner's own property unless they have specific permission from the landowner

This is in the same vein as "Guns should be banned because they kill people". I, and most people that I know, have been responsible lifelong owners of dogs. My dogs are on a lead on a road or in any situation where I believe that they may cause concern (however unjustified that concern may be) including when near sheep (except with my own sheep where they have ever been a problem). But my dogs, like any dog, like to run. I will take them on at least one 5 mile walk every day, and they will probably cover twice that because they have the space to exercise.

We, as shooters, are meticulous in how we regard safety of ourselves and those around us, no less should be expected of us. Dog owners have the same duty of care. If any of us were to act in a manner that is reckless with regards to our guns, we face the full force of the law. The principal of dog ownership should be the same.

I do not want to live in a society where we are legislated out of the freedoms that we enjoy. But I am happy to live in a society where those who purposefully or recklessly endanger others are dealt with severely.
 
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