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    Turning a Combination Gun into a Double Rifle

    I already have a very nice Ferlach built combination gun in 16bore over a 7x65R. It looks as if I am going to get an increasing amount of wild boar shooting over the next few years both driven and from highseat. I am already very impressed by the 7x65R and with the right cartridge it delivers a real thump. To date when overseas I have loaded a 16 bore slug in the top barrel, but have't yet used one in anger.

    For between €800 and €1,100 (depending on from where and what brand) I can fit a removable 7x65R barrel into the shot barrel and turn it into a double rifle. The gun fits me well and I shoot well with it. This would give me a double rifle for use on driven game. A quick flick of the wrist and the empties are out and its reloaded. A double gets shot number two away very quickly. Yes with a bolt action or straight pull, numbers 3 and 4 or 5 are there, but then you need to reload. It is also very portable and packs down into a small case. I have recently used it on running bore targets and to kill my first running pig - a 70yard shot as it came charging out of a field of rape that was being cut. Running fast and one shot with a 177gn RWS bullet and it tumbled like a rabbit. So I am confident that I can shoot well with it.

    I have thought about getting a 222 level of Einstecklauf, but actually see little utility. Doesn't provide a useful second shot on bigger game, and on foxes and Roe, I have found the 139gn load I have very effective.

    Alternatively I could put the funds towards a left handed bolt action in 30-06 or 7x64, but I then also have to add in cost of scopes etc, its not as portable and to be honest decent left hand rifles are like hens teeth. Realistically I need the thick end of £2,000 for another left hand rifle. Also are the fun and games of getting a variation for another rifle, rather than just a spare barrel for an existing gun.

    I know that a lot are moving towards using straight pull Blaser R8s etc, but I don't want one. As far as I am concerned, polymers, torx screws etc are fine for use on military weapons, or for stocks, but not on fine firearms.

    Before I press the button on this, am I being vaguely sensible - probably not but.....

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    You're being completely sensible. It's cheaper, prettier, better handling and faster shooting (for two shots) than the next best option, plus you get to keep a rifle you very much like and with which you already have great confidence.

    Would you need the firing pin bushed on the 16-bore lock?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greener Jim View Post
    You're being completely sensible. It's cheaper, prettier, better handling and faster shooting (for two shots) than the next best option, plus you get to keep a rifle you very much like and with which you already have great confidence.

    Would you need the firing pin bushed on the 16-bore lock?
    nope - already bushed!

    and thanks for your vote of confidence.
    Last edited by Heym SR20; 26-08-2016 at 16:25.

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    Sounds like a stunning solution! Keep us posted?
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    I think it is a great idea. There was a discussion of this on SDUK a year ago, and some links to various rifle barrel inserts for shotgun barrels. I posted a few, myself. Some, like the full-length Krieghoff barrels, are not inexpensive, and are made to fit their barrels and lengths, with adjustable regulation at the muzzle. Some shorter ones which are only about half-length are intriguing to me, with a pistol bullet like the .44 Special or .357 Magnum.

    https://www.krieghoff.de/en/infoextr...insert-barrel/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heym SR20 View Post
    nope - already bushed!

    and thanks for your vote of confidence.
    Perfect! Out of excuses there then
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    Nope.

    I think it's a bad idea. Retrofitted solutions seldom work terribly well. The thing was designed and built to be 16 bore over 7x65r. Converting the shotgun barrel will only ever be a jury rig. Yes - you could get it done REALLY well by someone who REALLY knows what they're doing (Alan Rhone of similar) - but even then, my guess is that the outcome will always be just...ok. Passable.

    I'd go the whole hog and get the variation - they're slow, but Fettes are being amazingly open minded. They let me have two .270s, after all...

    If it were me, I'd sell the .243 (which you almost never use) and get a specialist piggy gun. 9.3x62 or .30-06, bolt action. That also leaves you the option of using it on the Africa trip...

    Or get the variation and just wait for the right double to come along. There's a Heym 26b in .30-06 on Guntrader right now.

    Meanwhile, I need to talked out of getting a Heym threaded for a moderator...
    Last edited by Mungo; 26-08-2016 at 21:11.

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    I think that as long as the insert can be adjusted to shoot to p.o.a as the sight, or sights, it's an excellent idea.

    Plus you've the shot gun barrel with you all the time if you remove the insert should you need it the following day or later in the week. And as 16 bore slug is quite effective but illegal on deer in the UK your insert makes it legal, in both barrels, as a "double rifle" in 7x65mm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mungo View Post
    Nope.

    I think it's a bad idea. Retrofitted solutions seldom work terribly well. The thing was designed and built to be 16 bore over 7x65r. Converting the shotgun barrel will only ever be a jury rig. Yes - you could get it done REALLY well by someone who REALLY knows what they're doing (Alan Rhone of similar) - but even then, my guess is that the outcome will always be just...ok. Passable.

    I'd go the whole hog and get the variation - they're slow, but Fettes are being amazingly open minded. They let me have two .270s, after all...

    Meanwhile, I need to talked out of getting a Heym threaded for a moderator...
    i hear what you say. A double in any non rimmed calibre is a bad idea as ejection is an issue, or can be. Einstecklaufs if fitted correctly work well, but yes a dedicated 9.3 would be nice.

    Now as as for threading that Heym. Well there is a certain place in hell reserved for those who mess with such fine rifles. It shoots well - don't mess with it. If it didn't have open sights and you had an invisible thread protector then perhaps. If you have have to have a mod then thread the old Sako.

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    Sounds Interesting. Would the rifle barrrl be removable?
    Obviously the extra weight will sffect ghe handling.

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