Willie_gunn (and all others) thanks for your replies. Perhaps I should have elaborated a bit more, but on this particular estate that I have managed to get some shooting on, is paid, syndicated, but shooting is strictly from high seats in the evenings only - not shots allowed while on foot to and from the high seats. Guess my point is that if your going out for an evening stalk, which limits you to shooting window of 1-1.5 hours from a high seat only, then is it really worth it? The cost of the stalking isn't an issue but doing a 220 mile round trip to sit for an hour and a bit in a high seat is becoming irritating. Perhaps need to look elsewhere for some better stalking!!