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    Stutzen Rifles

    Are the stutzen style rifles still pratical for stalking today? I ask as moderators are becoming more and more frequent amongst the stalking faternity, and now even a prerequisite on some estates. The old world victorian and bavarian rifles are some finest in my opinion, but you rarely see them in the UK anymore.

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    You don't have to hunt around for something 'olde worlde' though.

    Attachment 1849

    http://www.blaser.de/K-95-Single-Sho...61.0.html?&L=1

    If I can't find something similar secondhand or at auction by the end of the year then I'm seriously thinking of springing for one of the above in 6.5x57R.

    BTW I think this type of rifle is near my ideal for woodland stalking - lightweight, short and easy to move around. I've had several stalking clients use them in the past and tried them out for myself. As you say the only drawback is being unable to fit a mod, (but you wouldn't want to spoil the lines of such a rifle by sticking one on, would you?), but that's not a problem for me.
    Last edited by Orion; 12-07-2010 at 12:15.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joshua View Post
    Are the stutzen style rifles still pratical for stalking today? I ask as moderators are becoming more and more frequent amongst the stalking faternity, and now even a prerequisite on some estates. The old world victorian and bavarian rifles are some finest in my opinion, but you rarely see them in the UK anymore.
    Of choice for woodland stalking I still use a stutzen a Mannlicher M72 full stocked with double triggers and in 270 calibre overkill for roe deer I know but dead is dead, It also has sentimental as it was given to me by my father before his death and one I would never sell on when it comes to the end of its practical use as i cant get it re barreled i will de activate it.

    And I have to say it they dont make them like they used to the bolt and action is superb, my stalking partner has also a stutzen which is of a origin slightly younger a Heym and he also uses that in preference to his Saur.

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    A stutzen is vital for effective stalking - you can hook the front end over the passenger door with the window down and not have to worry about wether the barrel is touching anything

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    Hmmm well although i acquired a sound mod last year I have never used it stalking as yet. So the Stutzen is fine with me. mine is a BSA CF2 also in 270 Winchester.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brithunter View Post
    Hmmm well although i acquired a sound mod last year I have never used it stalking as yet. So the Stutzen is fine with me. mine is a BSA CF2 also in 270 Winchester.
    I here lots of tales of the 270 being unsuitable for stalking especially for use on Roe deer which is basically my No 1 quarry ,personally I dont have any issues with its use at all and the loads I use I find sweet and comfortable and most certainly do not get the recoil smack that others tell me about.

    What species do you normally use it for and what bullet weights and type and powder are you putting through your Beezer.?
    Stu

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    People who stalk roe with me with any big fast calibre may have worries.
    I ask them to use a soft point (bonded or partition if possible) and heavy for calibre.
    150 for .270 and to keep the speed down a little.
    These combinations tend to keep damage and recoil low.
    regards john.
    p.s. in my 7mm rem mag i use 150-160sp's partition, grandslam (handloads) or rws conepoints (factory) and they work a treat.

    I have always fancied a stutzen but have a few concerns about holding zero's in inclement weather
    Have you found this to be true??
    Last edited by www.yorkshireroestalking.; 12-07-2010 at 16:58.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Labrat View Post
    A stutzen is vital for effective stalking - you can hook the front end over the passenger door with the window down and not have to worry about wether the barrel is touching anything
    That reminds me of an occaision an FC Ranger took a shot out of the AstraVan passenger window from the driving seat, he swore that the window was all the way down but it still shattered and dissapeared into the door, the windscreen was also cracked. The deer was killed.

    Brithunter, I too have a CF2 Stutzen in .270 win and love it. Interesting, has anyone else realised that the reason that stutzens seem so handy to carry is that the front sling swivel is usually well forward.

    JC

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    Quote Originally Posted by www.yorkshireroestalking. View Post
    People who stalk roe with me with any big fast calibre may have worries.
    I ask them to use a soft point (bonded or partition if possible) and heavy for calibre.
    150 for .270 and to keep the speed down a little.
    These combinations tend to keep damage and recoil low.
    regards john.
    p.s. in my 7mm rem mag i use 150-160sp's partition, grandslam (handloads) or rws conepoints (factory) and they work a treat.

    I have always fancied a stutzen but have a few concerns about holding zero's in inclement weather
    Have you found this to be true??

    I use 130 sometimes 150 grain Nosler partitions John and down load a little and although rarely stalk in inclement weather as deer like any other animal clam up so its usually pointless stalking unless its a light shower that is , but keeping the stock oiled well with almond baby oil ,even when getting caught out i find that zero isnt impaired at all.
    Regards
    Stu
    Last edited by Mannlicher_Stu; 12-07-2010 at 17:33.

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    Actually my BSA CF2 Stutzen is my most unlucky rifle. It was the first one I ever brought but has never grassed a Deer. It has always been wrong deer (too good to shoot or I could not afford the fees) wrong sex so out of season of on several times no safe backstop so an unsafe shot. The .270 that I am shooting now is an older BSA Majestic Featherweight Deluxe as the CF2 is listed for collection only. I refuse to have the muzzle chopped on this Majestic so no Moderator. However the Stutzen has shown excellent accuracy over the years and even won the annual 600 yard club shoot two years running. So they changed to rules to disqualify it. I was shooting Nosler 130 Grain Ballistic Tips, of course before the expanding ammunition nonsense. The Stutzen has been carried and uses on the range in inclement weather includign a blizzard that blew in off the Thames estuary whilst shooting on Purfleet ranges yet i have noticed no adverse effects on accuracy that cannot be attributed to my declining eyesight. It's just not as good as it once was even with corrective glasses.

    Now the Federal Fusion 150 grain bullet seems to do a good number on Roe from my very limited experience with it, one Roe Buck does not make a good sample, but I will certainly use it again.

    Oh Manlicher_Stu, I tend to use faster powders due to the short barrel and H-380 has worked very well indeed. Reduces the muzzle fire ball considerably.

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