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    Fox Hunting Lobby AGAIN slandering night shooting

    In the House of Lords question today on hunting the peer Baroness Mallalieu the President of the Countryside Alliance criticises "night shooting which does cause a high degree of wounding". And also snaring.

    Really? I have seen enough lamping of foxes in the past to say that I have never seen a shot fox wounded but always killed. Indeed the Government Minister at 5:40 states that "lamping if done correctly is the most satisfactory method".

    But yet again the fox hunting lobby are happy to throw mud at any other form of control to try to justify their efforts to repeal the Hunting Act. Are they incapable of defending what they do without these scurrilous attacks on others? These people would sell out anyone in order to justify what they want. It is quite disgraceful. I hope that any Countryside Alliance members will follow this up.

    As at some future time if and when the matter of lamping comes up in any discussion, in a anti-shooting political lobby, or in Parliament, or the Scottish Parliament, be assured that someone, somewhere will quote Baroness Mallalieu, the President of the Countryside Alliance, as saying, as above in July 2017 that lamping "does cause a high degree of wounding" then adding that because of this it is cruel and should be banned.

    It is at 4:12 in the video in the news item.

    Lord Mancroft says only hunting groups care about foxes - BBC News
    Last edited by enfieldspares; 17-07-2017 at 17:52.

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    Doesn't sound like there's much of an alliance in the countryside.

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    The sooner they admit that they enjoy fox hunting the sooner they'd have my support (and probably a good portion of the public too). All the while they go on about it being the most humane way (either killed in seconds or escape etc) but almost denying it's jolly good fun and a great day out people don't believe a thing they say and won't take them seriously.


    I enjoy shooting/stalking and if anyone asks I'll tell them I enjoy it and it is a huge part of why I do it. All the other reasons for doing it, no natural predators, protecting wildlife/ecosystems etc are all valid but if people didn't enjoy it they wouldn't do it, they'd get someone else to do it.

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    Well I enjoy , really enjoy, following hounds , whether fox hounds, mink hounds or Beagles.

    But I recognize for serious fox control in general and for most lamping is the best way to reduce numbers and it is the method I employ on my own game shoot. Although I have seen more than one fox hit and not recovered with centerfires I would say wounding rates are far less than with shotguns or rimfire. (I have never seen a fox wounded by hounds).

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    A hunted fox is either killed or escapes . If you shoot at enough foxes you will eventually wound one .Not all the
    People who shoot foxes are expert marksmen .

    Chill

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    It's possible to wound any animal be it fox ,deer or rabbit etc with any sort of gun shotgun or firearm every one try's not to but unfortunately it does happen regards Kai

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    I love these threads, what the hunting community seem to have forgot is that it's illegal to hunt foxs with a pack of hounds unless they are flushing to standing guns or a "bird of prey", they also seem to think that it's vermin control and it's not, they also seem to think if you live and work in the countryside that you will support them, all this while themselves and their followers deem any other method of fox control as cruel and inhumane. They really are unbelievable , they do themselves no favours these days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 243 fallow View Post
    I love these threads, what the hunting community seem to have forgot is that it's illegal to hunt foxs with a pack of hounds unless they are flushing to standing guns or a "bird of prey", they also seem to think that it's vermin control and it's not, they also seem to think if you live and work in the countryside that you will support them, all this while themselves and their followers deem any other method of fox control as cruel and inhumane. They really are unbelievable , they do themselves no favours these days.
    Well said.

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    In the country where spotlighting was invented, its ironic we still have fox hunting clubs complete with horses. They get 40-60 foxes per year. We also have plenty of clubs that shoot excess of 400 foxes a year over hounds. There is room for all types of hunting and shooting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 243 fallow View Post
    I love these threads, what the hunting community seem to have forgot is that it's illegal to hunt foxs with a pack of hounds unless they are flushing to standing guns or a "bird of prey", they also seem to think that it's vermin control and it's not, they also seem to think if you live and work in the countryside that you will support them, all this while themselves and their followers deem any other method of fox control as cruel and inhumane. They really are unbelievable , they do themselves no favours these days.
    It is illegal to hunt foxes with a pack of hounds in E&W with the exception of flushing to bird of prey. The use of guns does not make hunting lawful, although more than two hounds can be used to flush foxes to guns in Scotland (for now - the SNP seem to want to bin that too). This was the amendment that David Cameron wanted to introduce, to make gun packs legal below the border, but Sturgeon threatened to vote against it (even though it would just bring Scottish and English law on the matter into line) and therefore the vote was cancelled, asit would not pass with the SNP contingent voting against it (on a purely English and Welsh matter).

    Some of us can remember as far back as before the ban and in the meantime have to enjoy watching hounds work within the law, either on artificial trails or on rabbits (beagles).

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