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Thread: DSC 1 Should there be more content

  1. #121
    To return to the OPs question and things he felt should also be covered; "1.The elements for making a successful stalk; Wind direction, land assessment, likely locations, equipment list, shooting aid's.
    2. Carcass management; how to undertake a gralloch in order to inspect the carcass, extraction and removal, equipment list, knife selection.
    3. Management, Over shooting, disturbance, cull targets, management plans."

    - All of these were actually talked about to greater or lesser extent on my own DSC1 course. They may not be on the "curriculum" for DSC1 but they were certainly addressed by our instructor in reasonable detail. In fact, I'd go as far as to say that all the additional talk over and above the set course content and meeting others with varying levels of experience was just as useful as the set content and if anything fired me up to learn more. At the end of the day it's only meant to be an introduction as such, a place from where your learning really starts. I suppose it also depends how much your are charged of course as to what you may feel you should get out of it.

  2. #122
    DSC1 needs beefing up in my view. If the police are going to use it as a minimum requirement, then i think it needs to be worth the paper its written on.

  3. #123
    Quote Originally Posted by howa243 View Post
    DSC1 needs beefing up in my view. If the police are going to use it as a minimum requirement, then i think it needs to be worth the paper its written on.
    I think it is worth the paper its written on...like any other, the qualification just shows that you are knowledgable about a sufficient proportion of the stated curriculum to pass...nothing else.

    It is only the shooting and safety test which is relevant as far as the the police using it as part of their assessment in granting an FAC.

    I agree it would be good to beef that up. But I think it would be more appropriate to have a dedicated shooting-and-safety training and qualification, which could include the disciplines of others using rimfire and high velocity rifles in the countryside who may have no interest in deer. Fox and rabbit control including lamping or night vision spring to mind.

    A basic rifle driving test.

    Alan

  4. #124
    Quote Originally Posted by Alantoo View Post
    I think it is worth the paper its written on...like any other, the qualification just shows that you are knowledgable about a sufficient proportion of the stated curriculum to pass...nothing else.

    It is only the shooting and safety test which is relevant as far as the the police using it as part of their assessment in granting an FAC.

    I agree it would be good to beef that up. But I think it would be more appropriate to have a dedicated shooting-and-safety training and qualification, which could include the disciplines of others using rimfire and high velocity rifles in the countryside who may have no interest in deer. Fox and rabbit control including lamping or night vision spring to mind.

    A basic rifle driving test.

    Alan
    +1

  5. #125
    Quote Originally Posted by Alantoo View Post
    I think it is worth the paper its written on...like any other, the qualification just shows that you are knowledgable about a sufficient proportion of the stated curriculum to pass...nothing else.

    It is only the shooting and safety test which is relevant as far as the the police using it as part of their assessment in granting an FAC.

    I agree it would be good to beef that up. But I think it would be more appropriate to have a dedicated shooting-and-safety training and qualification, which could include the disciplines of others using rimfire and high velocity rifles in the countryside who may have no interest in deer. Fox and rabbit control including lamping or night vision spring to mind.

    A basic rifle driving test.

    Alan
    Careful here as there are some people that have no interest in vermin control, night shooting, clay pigeon shooting or feathered / small game shooting with a shotgun. Whole new can of worms there if the police started going down that road.

  6. #126
    Quote Originally Posted by Cris View Post
    Careful here as there are some people that have no interest in vermin control, night shooting, clay pigeon shooting or feathered / small game shooting with a shotgun. Whole new can of worms there if the police started going down that road.
    Not quite sure I follow your point...could you explain a bit more?

    My suggestion was that like a car driving test there should be an obligatory rifle safety training and test which was not linked to any particular quarry or discipline like DSC1 is. It would be just about firearms, inclusive of teaching the student the various ways one might use (or the dangers of misuse) a rifle in any circumstance, so they were equipped whatever their reason for having a rifle or shotgun come to that.

    I have looked down the barrels of too many shotguns (and witnessed fellow beaters being peppered) to know, that a bit of muzzle awareness and safe handling training should be a basic requirement for any body wanting a firearm.

    Alan

  7. #127
    Quote Originally Posted by Cris View Post
    Careful here as there are some people that have no interest in vermin control, night shooting, clay pigeon shooting or feathered / small game shooting with a shotgun. Whole new can of worms there if the police started going down that road.
    People don't seem to mind us going down that road already with deer calibres so why shouldn't they !
    There are no perfect men in this world ..... Only perfect intentions

  8. #128
    I agree actually - for all their 2nd amendment rights, some U.S states for example have basic hunter safety training they require if you want a ticket for their public land, and some require it for concealed carry permits (not applicable here of course!). These are about safety, rather than shooting effectiveness, and having seen truly awful muzzle "awareness" on some pheasant & grouse shoots (not something I do myself, but I used to grouse beat and live in an area where there are several pheasant syndicates around) and like most of us, heard a boat load of horror stories from near misses through a guy drey shooting with centrefires (!) to someone shooting their own back window out with a loaded rifle in the car, I'd see nothing wrong with some basic safety training even if mandatory (it would have to be mandatory to have any effect - those who are most dangerous invariably are the ones who consider themselves not in need of training). The safety principles are pretty universal after all. As the shooting times used to feature that poem in every issue (they may still do for all I know) "all the pheasants ever bred, won't repay for one man dead". So I can see why the police like DSC1 as at least they know you've had basic safety explained.
    Last edited by Sylvanius; 17-04-2018 at 10:52.

  9. #129
    Quote Originally Posted by Sylvanius View Post
    I agree actually - for all their 2nd amendment rights, some U.S states for example have basic hunter safety training they require if you want a ticket for their public land, and some require it for concealed carry permits (not applicable here of course!). These are about safety, rather than shooting effectiveness, and having seen truly awful muzzle "awareness" on some pheasant & grouse shoots (not something I do myself, but I used to grouse beat and live in an area where there are several pheasant syndicates around) and like most of us, heard a boat load of horror stories from near misses through a guy drey shooting with centrefires (!) to someone shooting their own back window out with a loaded rifle in the car, I'd see nothing wrong with some basic safety training even if mandatory (it would have to be mandatory to have any effect - those who are most dangerous invariably are the ones who consider themselves not in need of training). The safety principles are pretty universal after all. As the shooting times used to feature that poem in every issue (they may still do for all I know) "all the pheasants ever bred, won't repay for one man dead". So I can see why the police like DSC1 as at least they know you've had basic safety explained.
    Agreed this approach is a good idea for safe handling of firearms in a generic sense. It would have to be mandatory and a requirement for issue or maybe even renuwal if you have not had some form of safety training.

  10. #130
    Some very good points raised on here and it all makes interesting reading. I was lucky to have an experienced stalker to take me out and show me the ropes but for me if the course is there to provide someone with the basic tools needed to start stalking then in my view it needs more detail and to formerly cover the basics. It's certainly a great start and as some have said on here the wider content and learning from the tutors outside of the program was invaluable. I don't know what sort of training they do in Europe but I imagine that there are benefits from looking at other training programs. Whilst not wanting to go down the route of creating too many hurdles, financial or otherwise it must be in the long term interest of our sport to ensure that hunters are well trained.

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