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    Concurrent Stalking Rights -What Has Happened

    Early in the year I got the chance of a stalking lease over about 240 acres for 900 a year. The ground holds Red, Roe and a few Fallow. The problem was the owner who I never met wanted to retain concurrent stalking rights as he stalked a large hill accessed through the woodland. I asked the membership for comments and if anyone had a similar arrangement that worked. I had a mixed bag of replies.
    I decided to go for it for a few reasons. I have had a forestry lease for over 8 years which covered more than twice the acreage but only held Roe. I paid 1000 plus vat and was not able to keep any venison. When they started to fell areas on next door land and then within mine ,the rangers to protect the new trees ,lamped these spots weekly and it began to get harder and harder to see let alone shoot any deer. Last season I only shot three bucks and two does-not good value at all. So I gave up that lease in April and took up the new one.

    I had reservations on it working but would like to report that so far its been a success. The place is a good three hours away and the owner can text me to say he is using the wood the night before which would dash at short notice an arranged stalking trip. Maybe I have been lucky but so far I have had just one message and that was for a Saturday and I work all of these.
    I can take a friend which helps and mostly I do although my Sunday travelling -returning on Tuesday morning early is not to most folks ability. I went up last week, saw four mature Stags in a group and was lucky enough to get a good heavy ten pointer. I saw several small groups of hinds and two Roe Does. Alas no Fallow yet.

    The best thing was getting a text from the owner to say he is passing through my town and has booked a meal at my restaurant. A good chance to get to know him and see how things stand for the future. I have waited so long for the chance of ground I think I have been very lucky to have got this chance. As someone pointed out-my forestry stalking lease gave the rangers concurrent rights so I am just as well off now.

    Fab2

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    Hi Fab2,

    Great to hear the arrangement is going well and you've had some good trips.

    Hope it all works out for you.

    Robbo25

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    Forestry commission use the concurrent right system,as I well remember maybe 4 years ago I had a back injury,(slipped disc)and wasnt stalking 100% ,our forest 2500 acres had a lot of restock, and rightfully so I as captain was getting pressure to get up and cull deer,intern I put pressure on my syndicate members, however monthly cull figures didnt go up nobody on the syndicate increased the pressure,eventually rangers went in and shot maybe 12 deer cant remember how many this went on for 2 weeks only.If it wasnt for my injury I am sure this wouldnt of happend,I new very well the commission had concurrent rights its in the lease,basically it helped out and they did what was necessary at the time.
    Just wondering were they lamping on your lease for the full term of the lease .
    Last edited by Range Master; 21-09-2010 at 15:55. Reason: spelling ect

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    Good on you mate, nice to hear of an arrangement that works well, long may you keep it going. I had a piece of ground for nearly 20 years entirely on a 'Gentlemans Agreement', sadly it got sold and the new owner was more interested in making a quick buck (no pun intended) so, predictably, the wheels fell off. Might sound cocky but, at the end of the day, its his loss. Best wishes, JC

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    Quote Originally Posted by Range Master View Post
    Forestry commission use the concurrent right system,as I well remember maybe 4 years ago I had a back injury,(slipped disc)and wasnt stalking 100% ,our forest 2500 acres had a lot of restock, and rightfully so I as captain was getting pressure to get up and cull deer,intern I put pressure on my syndicate members, however monthly cull figures didnt go up nobody on the syndicate increased the pressure,eventually rangers went in and shot maybe 12 deer cant remember how many this went on for 2 weeks only.If it wasnt for my injury I am sure this wouldnt of happend,I new very well the commission had concurrent rights its in the lease,basically it helped out and they did what was necessary at the time.
    Just wondering were they lamping on your lease for the full term of the lease .

    Well you have more faith in them than me. Lamping on leases used to be quite common by forest rangers irrespective of whether your on culls going well or not and usually involved them riding the forest tracks lamping e verything in sight, which caused them to be driven off onto neighbouring land, then it became practically impossible to meet the set targets and lease holder penalised for the set shortfall.
    Regards
    Stu

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    Quote Originally Posted by fab2 View Post
    Early in the year I got the chance of a stalking lease over about 240 acres for 900 a year. The ground holds Red, Roe and a few Fallow. The problem was the owner who I never met wanted to retain concurrent stalking rights as he stalked a large hill accessed through the woodland. I asked the membership for comments and if anyone had a similar arrangement that worked. I had a mixed bag of replies.
    I decided to go for it for a few reasons. I have had a forestry lease for over 8 years which covered more than twice the acreage but only held Roe. I paid 1000 plus vat and was not able to keep any venison. When they started to fell areas on next door land and then within mine ,the rangers to protect the new trees ,lamped these spots weekly and it began to get harder and harder to see let alone shoot any deer. Last season I only shot three bucks and two does-not good value at all. So I gave up that lease in April and took up the new one.

    I had reservations on it working but would like to report that so far its been a success. The place is a good three hours away and the owner can text me to say he is using the wood the night before which would dash at short notice an arranged stalking trip. Maybe I have been lucky but so far I have had just one message and that was for a Saturday and I work all of these.
    I can take a friend which helps and mostly I do although my Sunday travelling -returning on Tuesday morning early is not to most folks ability. I went up last week, saw four mature Stags in a group and was lucky enough to get a good heavy ten pointer. I saw several small groups of hinds and two Roe Does. Alas no Fallow yet.

    The best thing was getting a text from the owner to say he is passing through my town and has booked a meal at my restaurant. A good chance to get to know him and see how things stand for the future. I have waited so long for the chance of ground I think I have been very lucky to have got this chance. As someone pointed out-my forestry stalking lease gave the rangers concurrent rights so I am just as well off now.

    Fab2
    Good to hear your new arrangements are working fine

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mannlicher_Stu View Post
    Well you have more faith in them than me. Lamping on leases used to be quite common by forest rangers irrespective of whether your on culls going well or not and usually involved them riding the forest tracks lamping e verything in sight, which caused them to be driven off onto neighbouring land, then it became practically impossible to meet the set targets and lease holder penalised for the set shortfall.
    Regards
    Stu
    My lease wasnt lamped.

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