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    Free Floating Advice

    After seeing Muirs thread regarding free floating I thought I would ask the advice of any with a bit of knowledge on here. I gather from what Muir was saying there are a few 'sad' attempts at free floating that pop up every now and again? I have so far free floated one rifle and that was My CZ 17hmr. I didnt exactly need to but as I had the stock off to get a few knocks out of it I decided to do so.
    I relieved the whole barrell channel and also bedded the action in 'score hi' resin that a friend let me have. The result was superb, the rifle is a real 'tack driver' now and Im glad I did the work.
    I have decide to do my second rifle which is a Remmy 700 SPS .223 which I use for foxes. The rifle is amazingly accurate when I partner it with Blitzkings and Benchmark powder.
    I suppose I didnt need to free float and bed it but I wanted a better stock and bought a Bell and Carson stock for it.
    The people at bell and carson said they make the stock so it is free floated along its length. But my question is...will the rifle shoot just as well when free floated as I believe Remington use 'forend pressure'....but is this due to the cruddy injected plastic stocks they use? Once again the action will be bedded, this time with Devcon.
    Oh and if any of you shoot Remmys and cant get a round to stabilize...check the twist rate as I had this trouble and called Edgars who told me the rifles twist rate.....but when I checked with a cleaning rod it was different....I called them and they wouldnt have it. (even had some guy telling me I had changed the twist rate 'cos I had the barrell shortened ) but in the end I spoke to someone and he realised I was correct, so check your twist as it may not be as advertised by them.

    Pete

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    By accounts of those who have done the work properly, like Redmist, free floating your Remington in the new stock will probably work. However you will need to carefully bed the action and pillars are probably a good idea ..now this I think is a classic:-

    Oh and if any of you shoot Remmys and cant get a round to stabilize...check the twist rate as I had this trouble and called Edgars who told me the rifles twist rate.....but when I checked with a cleaning rod it was different....I called them and they wouldnt have it. (even had some guy telling me I had changed the twist rate 'cos I had the barrell shortened
    Just goes to show that working in a gun place does not mean you know what your talking about

    Oh once you bed the new stock and try it out if by chance it does not shoot as well as before you can build up a fore stock pressure point of course. let us know how it turns out.

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    Hi Brit
    Thanks for you reply and thanks for the advice. Yes I shall be doing the pillers but Im going to do them by drilling them out and making the solid plugs from Devcon as opposed to the aluminium route. I shall then bed the action. When you say build up the forend of the stock i take it you mean with shims until it shoots well , then bed it onto devcon? I shall indeed let you know how it turns out.

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    Maybe the oposers of free floating should recall all
    sniper rifles off the front lines...and also the police forces.

    I think pressure bedding could maybe work with a target rifle
    but not with a hunting rifle that will have always changing pressure
    on the forend due to ever changing ways the rifle is held or layed up
    while hunting.

    If one has a pressure bedded rifle and changes the pressure what happens?????
    well if some say nothing and POI does not shift...then the earth is a disk.

    A rifle is a harmonic system, change the harmonics and your POI will change.

    Especially implying pressure to a barrel via materials which constantly change
    their volume and stiffness value due to temperature and moisture content, such as wood
    or nylon materials will worsen the problem.

    I think the following often happens,
    a pressure bedded rifle shoots half way ok, say an inch group after some ammo
    developement. This rifle then free floated shoots say 1.5" ??? in reality one
    would possibly just need to re-tune the ammo to the new harmonic set up.

    For short range deer shooting the pressure bedded rifle combined with frequently
    checking zero will be ok.

    I would not even check the grouping of a new rifle if it is not free floated, I
    would see that as an absolute waste of time.

    edi

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    Quote Originally Posted by ejg View Post
    Maybe the oposers of free floating should recall all
    sniper rifles off the front lines...and also the police forces.

    I think pressure bedding could maybe work with a target rifle
    but not with a hunting rifle that will have always changing pressure
    on the forend due to ever changing ways the rifle is held or layed up
    while hunting.

    If one has a pressure bedded rifle and changes the pressure what happens?????
    well if some say nothing and POI does not shift...then the earth is a disk.

    A rifle is a harmonic system, change the harmonics and your POI will change.

    Especially implying pressure to a barrel via materials which constantly change
    their volume and stiffness value due to temperature and moisture content, such as wood
    or nylon materials will worsen the problem.

    I think the following often happens,
    a pressure bedded rifle shoots half way ok, say an inch group after some ammo
    developement. This rifle then free floated shoots say 1.5" ??? in reality one
    would possibly just need to re-tune the ammo to the new harmonic set up.

    For short range deer shooting the pressure bedded rifle combined with frequently
    checking zero will be ok.

    I would not even check the grouping of a new rifle if it is not free floated, I
    would see that as an absolute waste of time.

    edi
    And I just wasted my time reading this

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    Quote Originally Posted by chickenman View Post
    Hi Brit
    Thanks for you reply and thanks for the advice. Yes I shall be doing the pillers but Im going to do them by drilling them out and making the solid plugs from Devcon as opposed to the aluminium route. I shall then bed the action. When you say build up the forend of the stock i take it you mean with shims until it shoots well , then bed it onto devcon? I shall indeed let you know how it turns out.
    How you bed the action to the new stock is your choice but as the stock is made to have the barrel free floated then try it that way and see how it shoots. If it does not shoot as well then if it were me I would be looking at replacing the fore stock bedding point. I believe that normal upwards pressure for a pressure point bed is about 10 lbs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brithunter View Post
    And I just wasted my time reading this
    I presume that is what you said every day after school.

    If you advise someone to pressure bed with 10 lbs upward pressure, why would you choose 10 lbs?
    If 10lbs where correct and the rifle zeroed at this pressure, would it not alter the POI if one changes the upward pressure to say 12 or 14 lbs?? if one for example lays up the rifle on the front of the forend.
    Your theorie is flawed and you know it.
    Just add a moderator to your barrel...only 1lb weight and see how much it alters the POI.

    I prefer to have a rifle where there is no interference in the barrel pressure, no matter what shooting position I am using.

    edi
    Last edited by ejg; 04-10-2010 at 09:17.

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    ejg, What you prefer makes no mind at all as proven by this diatribe you know very little really . Now the figure of 10 lbs was not chosen by me but has been used in pressure point bedding for many decades. The OP's rifle has this pressure point bedding now and he is going to replace the stock. The stock chosen has the barrel routed out for free floating. However if the rifle does not shoot as well when fitted and bedded into this new stock then as I pointed out it fairly easy to build up the correct pressure point.

    Now I thought that was simple enough to understand but perhaps we need to make it more simple for you still?.

    The fact that pressure point bedding works with good wood stocks is not theory. The system has been in use for well over 100 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ejg View Post
    I presume that is what you said every day after school.

    If you advise someone to pressure bed with 10 lbs upward pressure, why would you choose 10 lbs?
    If 10lbs where correct and the rifle zeroed at this pressure, would it not alter the POI if one changes the upward pressure to say 12 or 14 lbs?? if one for example lays up the rifle on the front of the forend.
    Your theorie is flawed and you know it.
    Just add a moderator to your barrel...only 1lb weight and see how much it alters the POI.

    I prefer to have a rifle where there is no interference in the barrel pressure, no matter what shooting position I am using.

    edi
    Edi, there is more to getting accuracy out of a rifle than free floating the barrel. For many years light sporter barreled rifles had pressure bedding but it takes too much time and money for the modern mass production rilfes. It is still to be found on some "best" rifles. There is plenty available to read on the web if you wish to be enlightened.

    http://www.rifleshootermag.com/gunsm.../bedding_0304/
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accurizing

    ft
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    Pete ,
    I have a standard Remmington in .223 - a Light Varmint Stainless fluted (the only reason i have typed that mouthfull is to be clear which model it is ) it has a synthetic Bell & Carlson stock , and is pressure bedded at the fore end tip - this is as it came out of the factory.
    The only change from standard is i had the trigger tuned by the smith for a 1 3/4lb , creep free , break.
    It shoots around 3/4" groups at 100 yd's using 55gr fmj factory fodder , not that its used for target though - its my fox gun ,it has been shot in every conceivable badly supported , non-consistent off hand grip that you can think of - and is still blindingly accurate , same off a bipod or sticks though .So whatever / wherever the pressure is on the fore end (hand , bipod or sticks ) it shoots to its set zero , every single time.
    I am not against free floated barrels , far from it , but as far as i am concerned , if it aint broke , dont fix it .
    Regards ,Steve

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