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Thread: History, and current 30-06

  1. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by 8x57 View Post


    I wasn't thinking about sporting ammunition but the cartridge in general, not that is seems to make much difference to poachers in some African countries from what we hear.
    Half of the world has been awash in 7.62x39 at some time or other since 1944. It's probably cropped up in more conflicts and been produced in billions of rounds by almost every communist state plus some others. I'm willing to bet that the number of rounds produced in that cartridge would outnumber the number of rounds of .30-06 produced in its lengthy history by quite a margin.
    The poachers just keep spraying lead until whatever unfortunate beast they are taking falls over.

  2. #22
    I shoot a 30-06 Tikka T3 it is my main rifle I love it,just change the bullet weight for larger game; the rifle for all seasons

  3. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by Roro View Post
    The .270 had a long head start though, here in ireland, as .270 was the upper limit licencable for years. I have seen a few nice .30-06's around though.
    hahahaah and the .22 centrefire was the upper limit for quite a bit longer than it
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    a barony original

  4. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by landkeeper View Post
    hahahaah and the .22 centrefire was the upper limit for quite a bit longer than it
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    Yup, madness wan't it ? Using fox rifles for deer, pointless stupid carry on. It is still a bit stupid that calibres over .308 are restricted, rather than restricting on the basis of power.

  5. #25
    It might be interesting to have a SD poll to see how many members have and use a 30.06 VS other calibers.

  6. #26
    The 30-06 has never been a standard military calibre in the UK and the British Empire. Between and post war the .303 was the go to calibre across the British Empire - usually some form of sporterised Lee Enfield. For deer / antelope if it wasn't the 303, then the 275 Rigby (7x57) and 6.5x54 (6.5 Mannlicher or 256 Mannlicher) were pretty widely sold in various Mauser or Mannlicher rifles - finished and branded by British Makers - Gibbs, Dickson, Army and Navy etc etc There were also things like to 240 H&H, but these were made in few numbers.


    In the late 1950's when the FN / SLR became the standard infantry rifle the 7.62NATO / .308 became the norm. and rather took over from the 303. Sometime in the 1980's (I think) legislation was passed that effectively prohibited use of the 303 and 6.5 Mannlicher for deer stalking in Scotland because the standard loads with long heavy bullets did n't meet min 2400 fps muzzle velocity requirements. By this stage the 243 and 270 were becoming popular, and for Scottish deer stalking the 270 or 308 became the standard, with the 243 also being very popular, especially for lowland deer.

    30-06 is viewed as being at the top end of power levels for British deer - we simply don't have by world standards, large deer in the UK. Our biggest lowland Red Stags are approaching 200kg on the hoof, most Scottish stags are 150 ish Kg weight, whereas the American Elk is well over 300kg and some of the biggest getting on for 400kg.

  7. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by Heym SR20 View Post
    The 30-06 has never been a standard military calibre in the UK and the British Empire.
    Not sure if you would call it standard but many British military armoured vehicles continued to use Browning .30-06 machine guns up until the mid 1970s.
    Also we shouldn't forget that the Home Guard were issued with non standard P17 rifles during the second world war. Their rifles were marked with a big red .30 in the stock to indicate that they were non standard and not to be confused with the .303 chambered P14 rifle.
    It's the calibre of the shooter that counts not the calibre of the rifle.

  8. #28
    Back in the 1990s, I purchased a tripod, two barrels, belts and pulled AP bullets from British Army 1919 Browning machineguns.

    On the flip side, the P14 in .303 was standard issue to my State Guard. We had them from WWI, when the US stopped shipping them to the UK as we entered the war in 1917. These .303 rifles were carried by patrols during WWII who watched factories, shipyards, and the coastline. Later, we carried them while enforcing traffic and curfews during hurricanes.

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    The 30-06 has never been a standard military calibre in the UK and the British Empire.
    Not sure if you would call it standard but many British military armoured vehicles continued to use Browning .30-06 machine guns up until the mid 1970s.
    Ah..but ONLY because the 7.92mm BESA guns were replaced by it. Which were, as many know, in fact the "Brit" name for what is now called 8x57 Mauser.

  10. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by enfieldspares View Post
    Ah..but ONLY because the 7.92mm BESA guns were replaced by it. Which were, as many know, in fact the "Brit" name for what is now called 8x57 Mauser.
    I knew that the BESA was fitted to WW2 era AFV's but was it originally fitted to Saladin, Saracen, Centurion tank and Ferret, or was the M1919 .30-06 Browning the original fit?


    Added.
    Thinking further on it besides the post war vehicles that I mentioned that were fitted with .30 calibre Brownings, surely the wartime Sherman and Grant tanks made by the Americans and Canadians and used by the British would have been fitted with .30 calibre Brownings too. In which case the use of .30 calibre (.30-06) weapons by the British forces would have been fairly extensive for quite a lengthy period of time say from about 1941/2 until the mid 1970s.
    Last edited by 8x57; 17-10-2018 at 08:12.
    It's the calibre of the shooter that counts not the calibre of the rifle.

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