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    Disappearing Scent

    Twice now I have a bit of a poser.
    Big blood spash at point of impact,deer has legged it.Visible blood trail tapering off as trail far so good,dog happy nose down going well.Then suddenly nothing nada gone,dog cast out as normal nothing cast again as normal nothing.After half hour plus of casting dog goes off like a hound from hell and deer is located. The gap in the scent both times has been about 75 yards and this has happened to two diffent dogs,one deer fallow doe other a buck.Dogs both experienced.Weather dry but deer lung shot other belly(rifle was sent off for some practice) Any ideas or theories?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kit View Post
    Any ideas or theories?
    Yeah, put this in the general discussions section.

    No offence, but it will do better in there.


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    Moved to Deer Dogs and Tracking section

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    The scent has not gone just the blood has run out, try getting your dog to follow scent trails as well as blood, this has happened to me before too, , just lay trails with hooves and no blood for a while that should work.

    C F

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    Quote Originally Posted by cookingfat View Post
    The scent has not gone just the blood has run out, try getting your dog to follow scent trails as well as blood, this has happened to me before too, , just lay trails with hooves and no blood for a while that should work.

    C F
    +1 on above

    Sounds like you are also letting the dog work loose on fresh scent
    I hav found with air scenting, quite often that will cause your dog to drift as it follows the scent in the breeze
    consindering Deer are a large animal by comparisons they leave a massive amounts of fresh air scent mollecules hanging in the air
    whilst there is a good line of blood there is also a good line of scent
    blood runs out the scent line changes to a different scent
    as the dog in-hales huge amount of fresh scent it is still following the scent it has in-haled and not the new scent along the trail where the deer has headed
    so invertedly causes it'self to lose the trail
    nasal passages clear, dog now confused and starts to search possibly in the wrong direction

    Try going back to where there was blood and fresh signs , then try working on a leash to help concentrate the dog to search at a steadier pace
    there should be adequate scent there for the dog to pick up and follow along the ground for a good few hours

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    This is a good 'thread", learning a lot here.

    Thanks lads.

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    Thanks Stone
    BUT, as I sell them all my dogs wok either on Collar and leash or harness.Your comment about concentration is probably worth a bit of consideration as most deer are dropped and it is unusual for us to really have to work the dogs hard.perhaps a bit of P**s taking by the dogs may be happening, Wirehaired Vis does airscent, A spot of regrouping is currently being carried out both by handler (me) and dogs

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    I take it these are young dogs in training then by your last post...
    which dogs had the issuse with loosing the trails and at what point did you realise they had lost it
    as it may just be the dogs were to keen to please and just overshot the mark a little and in do ing so lost the trail aswell

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    I'll throw in a few additional points that might be worth considering if you haven't already.

    The blood and biological scent markers may cease for a time because the wound is closed by skin moving across muscle - dependent on how the deer was standing at the time of strike, (i.e head down, leg forward might close a front end wound when the animal gets moving - and/or coagulation could be a factor.

    The air scent will disperse relatively quickly, and unless the dog is nose down he might veer away from the track left by the interdigital and other scent glands that cookingfat has mentioned. There will also be scent from the crushed vegetation mingled with the above which will increase in strength as the biological scent markers decrease.

    The weather can be an influencing factor. Dry, and windy, (maybe warm?), might be less than ideal. Better to wait until the air temp cools a bit and allows the retained ground warmth to start the scent rising - early evening would be a good time.

    Which brings us to the optimum time to start tracking after the shot. IMHO if you suspect either a gut shot or a relatively mobile animal, (non-fatal leg, brisket etc.), then far better to wait a few hours if you can before following up. It gives the deer a chance to settle into a wound couch and stiffen up, so it will either die quietly or be less likely to be pushed on by the dog if mobile.

    I'll post this again because although it isn't specifically about deer tracking it's a good read if you want a grounding in how dogs scent and what they are actually following. It's certainly made me a bit more observant and appreciative of what my dog is actually doing when he's on a track:

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    And it's only a few quid on Amazon
    Last edited by Orion; 03-11-2010 at 10:35.

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    Disappearing scent

    Thanks Chaps

    lot to think about

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