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Thread: So.... why is there a problem with charlies then?

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    So.... why is there a problem with charlies then?

    I just don't get it. Why can't people use the rifle of their choice on the quarry species of their choice because safety in the field is determined by the rifle operator whether it's .223 or massive. Out on the hill farms where I shoot most of my charlies, the 22CF doesn't cut it at distance when it's breezy.

    My 223 is ideal on paper. Moderated and straight pull with a big variable but over 100m it's just pishy in the wind but on the low ground sneaking in and out of smaller fields it has it's place. So I stopped using it out in the wild and now always use my .308 with a big variable and the results are much better all round. With the good lamp and off the roof with bipod shots are good to a much better distance and the bullet is far more lethal with the extra whoomf it carries. But some forces have issues with this......

    What are the reasons or excuses why a stalking calibres are said to be unsuitable for use on charlies, just curious?

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    Paul, that sounds like a very odd performing .223!
    (The Unspeakable In Pursuit Of The Uneatable.) " If I can help, I will help!." Former S.A.C.S. member!

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    It's fine but 50gr stuff is pushed too easy in the wind and when charlie's on a hillside at 150m with a cross wind. That's when I'd be glad I had the .308 to really make sure.

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    I havent noticed a huge problem with my 223 either and im only shooting 55grn bullets, pretty quick loads right enough but very accurate.

    Interested to know what load your using Paul.

    Mine is 27 grns Varget
    Remington 71/2 Primer
    Either a 55grn Vmax or 55grn Gameking BT

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    We have hills & consequently valleys too, along with some exceedingly unpredictable winds, specially round our grounds in Wales, Charlie has no hiding place from our .223's. 52 grain A max over 24.8 grains Vit N133 pretty regular out to 300yds.
    (The Unspeakable In Pursuit Of The Uneatable.) " If I can help, I will help!." Former S.A.C.S. member!

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    I use varget too and either 50gr hp's or 40gr vmax. On paper is fine but maybe I'm just over thinking the shots when it's windy because at 200m my stuff in a cross wind moves up to 3 inches across so at 200 that's going to be 8 inch ish drift?

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    I think the uneducated call it 'overkill'

    They should come and watch me turn a fox inside out with a 22-250 that'd show 'em the meaning of the word
    "It's halfway down the hill, directly below that tree next to a rock that looks like a bell-end"

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    Used to use 150gr hollow points but Nosler B-tips say hello too, they're what I bash deer with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paul at barony View Post
    What are the reasons or excuses why a stalking calibres are said to be unsuitable for use on charlies, just curious?
    The answer is simple check out page 77 of the home office guide lines
    it gives you a chart of all the calibres(well most of them) and what they recommend is suitable for each quarry species
    there is a link in the below thread

    http://www.thestalkingdirectory.co.u...ce-on-Firearms

    the problem is your Firearms licensing department think this guide is the law and thats that
    common sense does not prevail when it is written in black and white

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    They're a bit odd though, listen to this. I was told by the head of firearms that he wouldn't condition my .375 h&h for deer on my woodland because it was simply too big but he had no problems as per the standard conditions of my fac with me shooting rabbits with a .308....... eh?

    Is it only me that things that's just silly?

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