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    Forestry Commission Tendering - South East England?

    Sorry if I am repeating a post?

    Have been looking at some of the available plots of land on offer has anyone, have any experience with the FC in the South East of England? Is the available land generally any good? I know the guys in Scotland don't seem to be singing the praises of their available FC land.

    I am a little puzzled by some of the requirements.

    They also seem to require a DSC level 2, Is this absolutely vital to the process?
    I am reluctant do the DSC. As I have already have an open ticket along with my CHASA Dedicated Hunter Status accreditation in South Africa. I am an experienced hunter who regularly shoots both in the UK and abroad. Do I really have to go through a hoop jumping exercise that is going to cost me cash I would rather use hunting?

    Thanks in advance!

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    DSC 1&2 MANDATORY... and they will shoot anything that moves prior to re-letting it.... I had 3 forests and it was a total waste of money due to human disturbance and lack of deer. You will need insurances and tickets for quad & Argo... But most of all you will need to really be the guy that already has it long before the tenders are recieved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RED-DOT View Post
    ...But most of all you will need to really be the guy that already has it long before the tenders are recieved.
    not in all areas and not always the 'highest price either' not good practice to paint the big picture with same brush.....
    "No matter how much you do.....there's always plenty more!"

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    Jamba are you saying the process of selection is transparant and ope to all. I really hope not!!! Before any one gose on FC ground it will be shot day and night untill there is not one set of eyes in the place also after that if they go through the wood 6 months later and see a few sets of eyes they will be back in with Lamp and gun.

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    Hang on David I thought you had been campaining in the past that all leases should be put out to open tender, have you had a change of heart then?
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    Tayside FC are bordering on being culpable for theft and fraud... they tried to take our let 2 months early to allow them to lamp it empty. Sex and age never comes into it and their open licence should be looked at.

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    Stuart while i am sure i did make a differnece in that the Fc big bosses had to sit down and rewrite there lease agreements and now all must go on the open market .We are still along way from being transparant. At the moment the top 5 bids get disscused by a pannel and the one they think fits there!!! critearior the best will get it. The problem there is they pick the top five and they pick the winner so in reality there has been no change. But i am sure after the dust settles we can make a change on this and it is beter than the English one which brakes every rule in the book.I do wounder why no one has challanged the way a public body conducts its buisness in such a cloak and dagger way. For instance why should we be leasing ground and working with the FC when we cannot use the same technics eg out of season lamping shooting from the road side etc etc. ITS TIME SOME ONE GOT A GRIP AND MADE THEM THINK AGAIN. OR AT LEAST MAKE THEM WORK FOR THERE MONEY.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 6pointer View Post
    Stuart while i am sure i did make a differnece in that the Fc big bosses had to sit down and rewrite there lease agreements and now all must go on the open market .




    We are still along way from being transparant. At the moment the top 5 bids get disscused by a pannel and the one they think fits there!!! critearior the best will get it. The problem there is they pick the top five and they pick the winner so in reality there has been no change.



    But i am sure after the dust settles we can make a change on this and it is beter than the English one which brakes every rule in the book.I do wounder why no one has challanged the way a public body conducts its buisness in such a cloak and dagger way.



    For instance why should we be leasing ground and working with the FC when we cannot use the same technics eg out of season lamping shooting from the road side etc etc. ITS TIME SOME ONE GOT A GRIP AND MADE THEM THINK AGAIN. OR AT LEAST MAKE THEM WORK FOR THERE MONEY.
    Last edited by Mannlicher_Stu; 07-12-2010 at 18:55.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 6pointer View Post
    Stuart while i am sure i did make a differnece in that the Fc big bosses had to sit down and rewrite there lease agreements and now all must go on the open market .We are still along way from being transparant. At the moment the top 5 bids get disscused by a pannel and the one they think fits there!!! critearior the best will get it. The problem there is they pick the top five and they pick the winner so in reality there has been no change. But i am sure after the dust settles we can make a change on this and it is beter than the English one which brakes every rule in the book.I do wounder why no one has challanged the way a public body conducts its buisness in such a cloak and dagger way. For instance why should we be leasing ground and working with the FC when we cannot use the same technics eg out of season lamping shooting from the road side etc etc. ITS TIME SOME ONE GOT A GRIP AND MADE THEM THINK AGAIN. OR AT LEAST MAKE THEM WORK FOR THERE MONEY.
    My day job is as a public procurement consultant and there are lines of challenge open to you if you feel that you've been unfairly treated. Unfortunately the full weight of the law is not open to you until the value (total life not annual value) is over 105k and under this threshold the law is a little more muted. It does however still require a transparent procurement and the criteria for awarding the contract should be published as part of the documentation and then all bidders must be advised within 15 days of submitting a written request of how their offering scored using that criteria in comparison with the winning tender. If this fails then you can use the Freedom of Information Act to request the same information, this time responses must be within 21 days of receiving your application for information.

    If buyers are found to have breached EU procurement law they are liable to be instructed to cancel the contract, run the process again and then possibly pay damages to the person to whom they originally awarded the contract for taking it away. The problem is that to take a case in the UK courts will require expensive legal representation and obviously not worth it on a stalking lease.

    The Forestry Commission are "a body governed by Public law" and as such are fully subject to the EU regulations on public procurement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paul k View Post
    My day job is as a public procurement consultant and there are lines of challenge open to you if you feel that you've been unfairly treated. Unfortunately the full weight of the law is not open to you until the value (total life not annual value) is over 105k and under this threshold the law is a little more muted. It does however still require a transparent procurement and the criteria for awarding the contract should be published as part of the documentation and then all bidders must be advised within 15 days of submitting a written request of how their offering scored using that criteria in comparison with the winning tender. If this fails then you can use the Freedom of Information Act to request the same information, this time responses must be within 21 days of receiving your application for information.

    If buyers are found to have breached EU procurement law they are liable to be instructed to cancel the contract, run the process again and then possibly pay damages to the person to whom they originally awarded the contract for taking it away. The problem is that to take a case in the UK courts will require expensive legal representation and obviously not worth it on a stalking lease.

    The Forestry Commission are "a body governed by Public law" and as such are fully subject to the EU regulations on public procurement.
    O Yeah and whose going to challenge the F.C costing megga bucks chasing a poxy lease equating to about 2000 to lodge a claim in court your fee for doing so dosent make it even thinking about.

    Things have changed anyhow it appears that a different format is now in place where they are tendering out service that they are paying for by a DMG
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