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    DSC AW & Assessor Competence

    Having just read the thread on assessing/observing the gralloch for the DCS2 award I was wondering if any moderation or standardisation takes place for folk involved in assessing and/or observing candidates.

    While certainly not a deer or stalking expert I can claim to be, and demonstrate that I am, an experienced and competent vocational assessor and verifier. I wouldn't dream of commenting on the right or wrong method however, I find the discrepancy in interpretation of the DMQ Standard, incomprehensible. I support and manage a number of vocational assessment teams operating across a range of topic areas. If any of them demonstrated that variation of interpretation of performance criteria I would top myself for being utterly useless at my job!

    Is anyone conducting standardisation sessions for the assessment team? If not, surely the whole qualification falls at the first quality hurdle?

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    "While certainly not a deer or stalking expert I can claim to be, and demonstrate that I am, an experienced and competent vocational assessor and verifier."
    That's the bit I cannot understand. I have introduced and trained persons in Deer recognition and management and after a very short while I see their names appearing as Assessors, Verifiers, Trainers, Deer Managers and experts in their own right, yet it was not so long ago they regarded Deer as four legged targets and didn't know the difference between a Buck and a Stag nor Fawns and Kids!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by EMcC
    "While certainly not a deer or stalking expert I can claim to be, and demonstrate that I am, an experienced and competent vocational assessor and verifier."
    That's the bit I cannot understand.
    Sorry Ed, not making myself clear. I don't have anything at all to do with assessing or witnessing any stalking qualifications. What I can do is demonstrate my competence to assess and verify qualfications in areas in which I am 'vocationally competent' - which happens to include 'Learning & Development'.

    Pete E and 300wsm describe normal NVQ assessment practice. However, the variations in interpretation of how the gralloch should be performed would indicate that standardisation is not effective across the assessment team, which is a problem to be addressed by the internal verifier(s).

    I don't know what the current DSC standard says but I revisited my portfolio (2/11/99) and Unit 2 - Prepare Deer for Storage, PC 2.3 says "Carcass is bleed and gralloched correctly." Key Features - Carcass bled & gralloched correctly, minimising the risk of contamination. Etc. No mention of tying or not tying any tubes, with or wthout cable ties. Obviously this is open to interpretation. If your AW or assessor is a real zealot in the extreme they could say the only way to "minimise the risk" would be to immediately wrap entire carcass in cling film and get a helicopter to winch it out to the squeaky clean larder.

    If there are any DMQ assessors or IVs on the site it would be interesting to get their inetrpretation of what constitutes "minimising the risk".

    I would look up my old DSC course notes - even though they are nearly ten years old - but I gave them to Varmint243. If you are reading this Jon perhaps you could have a quick look and give me a ring?

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    All quite right and proper but my question remains. Why is there such an apparent discrepancy in what is deemed competent or not yet competent when assessing the gralloch. Essentially, how people define 'hygienically'? Surely this should have been moderated and standardised long ago? 300wsm's interpretation may well differ from some other assessor or AW and we then don't actually have a 'Standard' just personal interpretation.

    "Hygienically", it's a bit like saying it's windy. Your windy may be different to my windy, but the Beaufort Scale - a common standard - is precise.

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    Hygienically means what it says any part of a carcass that has any contamination is not hygienic grass leaves heather such like are foreign bodies these can be washed of . Green **** out of the gut cant be effectively washed out all you do is spread it into other places the only way to get rid of it is trim out -off the contaminated area and throw it away . What you must realize is E COLI is in the gut as is salmonella and loads of other bacteria that will make us it is our duty to produce clean safe carcasses to enter the food chain this is were the trained hunter comes into play you are now responsible for any thing you sell to a game dealer ect . This is why most estates have there own tags all food should be traceable . I over the years have dragged hundreds probably thousands of deer of the hill just removing the guts as this is the most practical way to do things and still will do. but if you are being tested on your skills then you must do what ever is necessary to show the person watching you that you can do it in a clean hygienic manner producing a clean safe carcass if this means tying of the osphegus its no big deal . 300wsm is correct in what he says if you are tested on something the human element will come into it there is more than one way to skin a cat but the finished artical must be presentable and free of any contamination ready to go into the food chain . Alot of stalker dont realize they are responsible for this more and more game dealers are refusing deer on different grounds they are now being inspected by MHS staff and vets its there liecence at stake here they could be shut down or made to dispose of game contaminated in any way game they have paid for this is why they are getting picky . If i was presented with a carcass that could not be trimmed to remove contamination it would be binned and would not enter the food chain full stop food safety is paramount and its our duty to comply with it

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