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    How do you do it?

    Hundreds of guys on here looking for deer stalking and i was wondering how you get a deer calibre rifle on your FAC without having a written deer lease or ground. My local FLD will on no account allow a rifle for deer unless you have a written contract....

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    In my case I am currently classed as a recreational/occasional stalker. I had to provide proof of paid for stalks along with confirmation of future bookings. I keep all invoices etc in relation to this. In some senses this was only relevant to the expanding ammunition condition as I am also a full member of my local gun club and therefore have good reason already with regards to the actual rifle.

    I would assume the majority of stalking is undertaken by fee paying clients rather than by those with permissions (cull excluded.) All the stalkers I know have thier own rifles. I think if evidence was provided to your local FLD in the form of invoices/receipts etc they would be ok with that.

    Paul
    Last edited by Vipa; 09-12-2010 at 14:03.

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    You should not need a written contract to get a deer calibre, just reasonable justification. If you intend to buy stalking then you can provide reasonable justification by providing your FLD with a receipt or booking confirmation from the person you have bought the stalking from. I know my local constabulary consdier that as adequate evidence of reason for requesting a deer calibre. Check the guidance on the BASC website.

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    The above post has it correct.
    (The Unspeakable In Pursuit Of The Uneatable.) " If I can help, I will help!." Former S.A.C.S. member!

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    By complete chance while rummaging through my drawers to find something else (suit you!) I just came across the guidance where that information is contained! Here's the details which you can quote to your FLD if required:

    Paragraph 13.10 in Chapter 13 ("Good Reason to Possess a Firearm") of the Home Office Guidance to the Police states "An applicant need not always nominate a peice of land as evidence of 'good reason', but in such cases the applicant may be required, where possible, to provide written evidence, for example from a relevant organisation, a professional pest controller or of a booking to shoot."

    Hope that helps.

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    Ret-Dot- You require to show 'good reason' to possess a deer calibre rifle and this can only be done where you have either land with deer on that you have permission to shoot or a formal lease for deer management.

    The Police consider that recreational stalkers who only book a couple of days deer stalking a year can use an Estate Rifle as they do not merit the possession of higher calibre rifles than say for vermin control.

    2 ways that you could alter this are :

    1. Write to local farmers round Stirling to seek permission to shoot and get access to roe deer- certainly have seen plenty in the fields on the road to Gargunnock. If you get a farm where you have vermin and deer control then you have the good reason for a deer calibre rifle.

    2. Join a syndicate and get the Permit Holder to confirm your right to shoot over ground with deer.

    The above also assumes that you have the 'fitness to possess' and have 'referees' that will certify this position.

    Andy

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    Quote Originally Posted by firsttimer View Post
    Ret-Dot- You require to show 'good reason' to possess a deer calibre rifle and this can only be done where you have either land with deer on that you have permission to shoot or a formal lease for deer management.

    The Police consider that recreational stalkers who only book a couple of days deer stalking a year can use an Estate Rifle as they do not merit the possession of higher calibre rifles than say for vermin control.

    2 ways that you could alter this are :

    1. Write to local farmers round Stirling to seek permission to shoot and get access to roe deer- certainly have seen plenty in the fields on the road to Gargunnock. If you get a farm where you have vermin and deer control then you have the good reason for a deer calibre rifle.

    2. Join a syndicate and get the Permit Holder to confirm your right to shoot over ground with deer.

    The above also assumes that you have the 'fitness to possess' and have 'referees' that will certify this position.

    Andy
    Certainly not the case in my experience, nor in the experience of quite a few friends and fellow stalkers from various police regions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by firsttimer View Post
    Ret-Dot- You require to show 'good reason' to possess a deer calibre rifle and this can only be done where you have either land with deer on that you have permission to shoot or a formal lease for deer management.

    The Police consider that recreational stalkers who only book a couple of days deer stalking a year can use an Estate Rifle as they do not merit the possession of higher calibre rifles than say for vermin control.

    2 ways that you could alter this are :

    1. Write to local farmers round Stirling to seek permission to shoot and get access to roe deer- certainly have seen plenty in the fields on the road to Gargunnock. If you get a farm where you have vermin and deer control then you have the good reason for a deer calibre rifle.

    2. Join a syndicate and get the Permit Holder to confirm your right to shoot over ground with deer.

    The above also assumes that you have the 'fitness to possess' and have 'referees' that will certify this position.

    Andy
    Nor in mine, and the guidance provided to the Police by the Home Office (as quoted briefly above) also says otherwise. Perhaps you could explain on what grounding you have based your post?

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    Quote Originally Posted by firsttimer View Post
    Ret-Dot- You require to show 'good reason' to possess a deer calibre rifle and this can only be done where you have either land with deer on that you have permission to shoot or a formal lease for deer management.

    The Police consider that recreational stalkers who only book a couple of days deer stalking a year can use an Estate Rifle as they do not merit the possession of higher calibre rifles than say for vermin control.

    2 ways that you could alter this are :

    1. Write to local farmers round Stirling to seek permission to shoot and get access to roe deer- certainly have seen plenty in the fields on the road to Gargunnock. If you get a farm where you have vermin and deer control then you have the good reason for a deer calibre rifle.

    2. Join a syndicate and get the Permit Holder to confirm your right to shoot over ground with deer.

    The above also assumes that you have the 'fitness to possess' and have 'referees' that will certify this position.

    Andy
    I tend to agree, if I was an FLO I don't think I would be satisfied granting a deer rifle on the basis of a couple of days paid stalking a year.
    I shall now await as ass whipping from those who disagree !!!

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    when i put in for a deer calibre i had to provide proof of 4 outings plus further outings booked a few months in advance i ended up having a mentoring clause put on my certificate which has now been removed due to the amount of paid outings i have done this year,atb wayne

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