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    Hwv pup

    My pup is now 14 weeks old , he is my first HPR and I also have 2 ESS .
    He seems to stay very close to me when on our own and will shadow my youngest spaniel when we are all out together . I have just started with a bit if tennis ball retrieving and he is fine with that , I expect him to mature a lot slower than a spaniel but about what shou;d I expect at what sort of age as he grows up . His dam is show bred and his sire has a bit of work in his pedigree would this affect his hunting instincts ( hope not )
    Thanks for any pointers Brian

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    I have found HWV to be very! sensitive normally and most cnt cope with the stricked training most other gun dogs get as the norm.So when i was trianing mine i had to do it away from the other dogs as they somtimes needed a bolocking and when they got it he just did not want to know. Go easy and you will get a class act but make sure you are aware of how he is reacting to traing and disapline of the others. My dog was hunting and finding deer from 6 months but didnt like a heavy hand or a loud voice. He became what i call trustworthy at about 18 months.


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    ATthat age i would just be getting him properly socialised, let him be a pup for few mths before you start any serious training, by that time both you will have bonded,as for dam been showing , nothing to do with it, taking a dog to conformation assessment, doesnt impact on its working ability, at all in my opinion, simply enjoy him and best of luck

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    Quote Originally Posted by inverwire View Post
    ATthat age i would just be getting him properly socialised, let him be a pup for few mths before you start any serious training, by that time both you will have bonded,as for dam been showing , nothing to do with it, taking a dog to conformation assessment, doesnt impact on its working ability, at all in my opinion, simply enjoy him and best of luck
    Good advice, let him be a puppy whilst not letting him become a lunatic. JC

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    With the HWV being such a new breed I think there is very little separation between the show and working lines, in fact I do not know if they have two different lines yet, hope not.

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    He is staying close to you as he is still at the early stage of life, he is dependant on you for guidance and protection just as a young child is. Let him stay close just now to build your bond as master. If he is shadowing the young spaniel and ignoring you completely, give him less time with that dog, and spend more time with just you and the pup. Your bond to the pup has to be stronger than the pups bond to the others. ali

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    Hwv

    Oh dear you have bought a wirehaired vis the most infuriating and difficult animal in the universe.you will now be subject to a barrage of totally useless advise from other well meaning dog experts.BUT as Ford Prefect from the Hitchhickers guide to the Galaxy once said DONT PANIC.
    This is a wirehaird Vis.they are slow maturing dogs in fact they make a flatcoat look advanced.
    The main piece of advise to follow is treat the pup like a Wirehaired Vis,it is not a close working dog like a spaniel,nor a long ranging HPR like a German.
    You will find that in six or seven months you will have an obedient and responsive pup,he or she will sit stop fetch and track.STOP do not be fooled.the paragon of virtue is now begging to be ruined by you.Yes you!!
    A wirehaired should not be introduced into the field untill at least 18 months.sorry but its true.
    I did everything wrong with mine that it is possible to do with a wirehaired.
    Arthur was trained to work as a spaniel ,a labrador,a GSP everthing exept a HWV.He became over sensitive(never ever shout at one) gunshy (never over expose one)Clingy(they are known as velcro Vislas)
    Then I met a hungarian who had one .They do obedience then leave them alone to develop the brain.
    Despite my failings Athur is a superbe tracking dog,not as hard as a GWP but his nose is astonishing.
    he can switch from hard hunting pointing pheasant beating mode into calm picking up dog ,master of the long lost bird,bring out a harness and he is radar dog.
    Let the pup be a puppy,let his brain develop,go slowly,Arthur is now 4/5 and is still known as the baby dog each HWV is a unique dog and do not let anyone tell you otherwise.www.muntjactrading.co.ukClick image for larger version. 

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    Kit

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kit View Post
    Oh dear you have bought a wirehaired vis the most infuriating and difficult animal in the universe.you will now be subject to a barrage of totally useless advise from other well meaning dog experts.BUT as Ford Prefect from the Hitchhickers guide to the Galaxy once said DONT PANIC.
    This is a wirehaird Vis.they are slow maturing dogs in fact they make a flatcoat look advanced.
    The main piece of advise to follow is treat the pup like a Wirehaired Vis,it is not a close working dog like a spaniel,nor a long ranging HPR like a German.
    You will find that in six or seven months you will have an obedient and responsive pup,he or she will sit stop fetch and track.STOP do not be fooled.the paragon of virtue is now begging to be ruined by you.Yes you!!
    A wirehaired should not be introduced into the field untill at least 18 months.sorry but its true.
    I did everything wrong with mine that it is possible to do with a wirehaired.
    Arthur was trained to work as a spaniel ,a labrador,a GSP everthing exept a HWV.He became over sensitive(never ever shout at one) gunshy (never over expose one)Clingy(they are known as velcro Vislas)
    Then I met a hungarian who had one .They do obedience then leave them alone to develop the brain.
    Despite my failings Athur is a superbe tracking dog,not as hard as a GWP but his nose is astonishing.
    he can switch from hard hunting pointing pheasant beating mode into calm picking up dog ,master of the long lost bird,bring out a harness and he is radar dog.
    Let the pup be a puppy,let his brain develop,go slowly,Arthur is now 4/5 and is still known as the baby dog each HWV is a unique dog and do not let anyone tell you otherwise.www.muntjactrading.co.ukClick image for larger version. 

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    Kit
    any advice given to cumbrian was honest and based on 35 yrs experience my chosen breeds, im sure the rest who replied gave same ,hardly useless info ,so get that tongue oot yir cheek///

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    Kit, I second Inverwire's sentiments exactly, which bit of 'useless' advise does not fit with your ideals?

    Cumbrian, There is an old saying with HPRs that you need a year under each paw.

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    Thanks for the advice all and please keep it coming , aliS I will try as you suggest and limit his time with the spaniel and exercise him alone and see how we get on .
    Brian

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