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    87g BTHP with H4350

    Will be loading 87g Hornady BTHP with H4350 next week for my 1:10 sako .243 with 21" barrel,,any thoughts on the outcome?

    Planning on using for target shooting to 300 yards, foxing, crows/rabbits, roe. Any thoughts on this round for roe bullet placement compared to Soft Points?

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    I have used this bullet for years and found it an excellent all rounder, although the charge I use to send it on it's way is 40grns of H380 set off by a Federal Magnum primer.
    I have used that combination in several different rifles over the years and found it works in all rifles very well.

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    I have a Tikka T3 Super Varmint which has the same 1 in 10 twist barrel as your Sako and from what I have read they may even be made in the same factory on the same machines.

    My rifle has a 20" barrel, so is a little shorter than yours. I have used the hornady 87 grain V-Max for about 6 months now which is the same weight as your BTHP and it shoots very well.

    It will accurate group at sub 1" at 200yds all day long. Recently however I have tried 80 grain Berger bullets behind 37.5 grains of Varget as the V-Max were getting hard to get hold of and I have been very pleased with the results.

    I am getting 0.5" groups at 200yds and a lot less meat damage too.

    I know the V-Max are a varmint bullet and are designed to totally trash varmints but I am assuming the BTHP will fly similarly with less damage.

    What you may want to consider if the H4350 doesn't produce is the H414 as it works well with the 87 grain V-Max.

    My .243 Loads.
    87 grain V-Max behind 44grains H414 gives me 0.7"-1" groups at 200yds and 3125fps
    80 grain Berger Varmint behind 37.5 grains of Varget gives me 0.5" groups at 200yds and 3030fps.

    Both of these bullets have dropped Muntjac on the spot as if shot with a 50cal. The Bergers did a lot less damage though.

    As for shot placement, if its less than 200yds then I will go for head/neck shot. The V-Max literally rips the throat out almost decapitating the small deer. If I am using the Bergers I would try and get a head shot if the animal is not too nervous or just above the front shoulder to avoid meat damage of the joint if it is a bit skitish, trying to punch a hole in the heart/lungs.

    I know people on here will moan about Varmint bullets for small deer, but to be totally honest with you, they have completely smashed every Muntjac I have hit with them and to date I have missed none.
    Last edited by robbobsam; 26-01-2011 at 12:41.

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    I have been using 4350 for some years in my .243 but slightly heavier Nosler 95 B/T for fallow, roe and muntjac (39 grs) and 70gr( different powder) for foxes. They all seem to do the trick! Group to an inch if I hold it right! The old Mauser is 1972 and I also use a 30.06 barrell on it if I go for the big stuff although that is a bit rare these days with "anno domini) beckoning!! Hope this helps!

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    I'm a little concerned about the powder I have access to with this bullet, ie. H4350. I was having a read of the Hornady reloading manual, and it seems 4350 may not be ideal for sub 30 cal firearms, but I know that doesn't mean it wont work!

    Seems N160, H414, RL15, or Varget might be better In addition, no matter how high or low I search, I cannot find the starting and max loads for this bullet/powder combination (probably because it's not ideal)...can anyone enlighten me please!

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    I've just checked the Hogdon web site and they give a load using H4350 for an 85gr bullet so it would be a good starting point.
    85 GR. BAR XBTC Hodgdon H4350 .243" 2.560" 42.0 2967 39,700 CUP 45.5C 3214 49,600 CUP

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    Been looking in various places, seems this is a common problem for matching a starting/max loads to 85-87g bullets with H4350. Comments on various forums go from 36 to 42 start, to 39 to 45 max loads...hhhmmm...

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    and it seems 4350 may not be ideal for sub 30 cal firearms
    Hmmm I used 4350 quite a bit in 25-06, 6.5x55 and 6mm Remington so somehow that seems a bit strange and have not come across that statement before. Cannot comment on the .243 as not got into loading for one of those as yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brithunter View Post
    Hmmm I used 4350 quite a bit in 25-06, 6.5x55 and 6mm Remington so somehow that seems a bit strange and have not come across that statement before. Cannot comment on the .243 as not got into loading for one of those as yet.
    just came across that comment in a hornady's book. could be 4350 works perfectly fine with plenty of 20 cals too of course...just finding the load data that one can trust is hard.....

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    I'm with Brit. I use it in 243, 25 Ackley Krag IMP, and 6.5x55 and 6.5-06. I believe I used it in 270 as well.~Muir

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