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    6.5 for Boar in France and/or Italy?

    I'm thinking of going wildboar shooting in France or perhaps Italy where I have a standing invitation to shoot. I'll not bother you with the details of why this is, suffice it to say I did it in Poland last year and enjoyed it and now, as it happens, a trip is on the cards for this coming autumn, most probably to France.

    My problem is, I have a .30-06 calibre rifle and it is said by others here on the S.D. that I cannot use this for hunting in France (or Italy?). However, I also have a rifle chambered in 6.5-.284. I know I can get 6.5mm 156 and 160 grain bullets to reload with and I know those bullets are more than capable for use on wild-boar. The 6.5x55 Swedish is used in other countries for this very purpose and seems to manage OK. My 6.5 has a slight performance edge over the Swede so I reckon it would do just fine too.

    My question is: Will I be allowed to use my 6.5-.284 (currently with a 3-9 power scope mounted) with appropriate spec reloads and subject to having an invitation to hunt, on wildboar in either France or Italy? Or is the 6.5 deemed to light a calibre?

    Thanks~Tom

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    Hi Tamus,
    you can certainly hunt boar in Italy with a 30.06. I have used my mates rifle several times and now have one of my own in that caliber. Re the 6.5, not sure about .284, but the 6.5x55 certainly does the trick for a mate of mine. Not sure about the legality of the caliber in France though.

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    6.5x55 is prohibited in France. As far as 6.5-284 that is certainly not prohibited as a calibre.

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    banned calibres

    In France it is illegal to use any gun that uses a military calibre - so 30-06 and 6.5 x 55 are out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by enfieldspares View Post
    6.5x55 is prohibited in France. As far as 6.5-284 that is certainly not prohibited as a calibre.
    But, is 6.5-284 permissable for Sanglier?

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    There must be a minimum legal calibre or muzzle energy level set from what I have read, but I don't know what it is. Once again from reading numerous articles and from gathering information from French hunting magazines the smallest calibre in regular use seems to be .270win. There must be someone on this site who can give a definate answer surely!

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    I wouldn't bet on that! I've been trying to get the definitive answer about taking my 30.06 into france and straight over to Italy. No luck so far. The French customs website says yes if you are a non national i.e. not French, but two French RFD's have said NO WAY!.

    Might have to fly direct to Italy with it.

    mark.

    Quote Originally Posted by 8x57 View Post
    There must be a minimum legal calibre or muzzle energy level set from what I have read, but I don't know what it is. Once again from reading numerous articles and from gathering information from French hunting magazines the smallest calibre in regular use seems to be .270win. There must be someone on this site who can give a definate answer surely!

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    I've a few French books on shooting there. All I can find at the moment is Daniel Babo "Toutes Les Chasses". He gives a table but I don't know if it is his opinion or the law as he stays silent on that issue! All are minimum energy at 100 metres.

    Sanglier (wild boar) 2,500 joules w/bullet 10-19 grams
    Cerf Elaphe (red deer) 2 500 joules w/bullet 4.5-6 grams
    Cerf Sika (sika) 2 000 joules w/bullet 10-19 grams
    Daim (fallow deer) 2 000 joules w/bullet 6-10 grams
    Chevreuil (roe deer) 1 000 joules w/bullet 6-10 grams

    As 4.5-6 grams isn't a lot in grains either it is a misprint or an "odd" personal opinion! It surely can't be the law? Nowhere is a minimum calibre specified.

    Somewhere I've a book like those driving test Q and A publications with the 2000 or thereabouts Permis de Chasse syllabus and exam questions. If I can find it I'll see what it says. That will be the law at that date!

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    Enfieldspares I think you may be right that itís a personal opinion of the bookís author and also that there may be some typing errors because some of the figures donít make sense when converted to units that I am more familiar with.

    Sanglier (wild boar) 2,500 joules w/bullet 10-19 grams equates to 154 to 293 grains and 1844ft/lb
    Cerf Elaphe (red deer) 2 500 joules w/bullet 4.5-6 grams equates to 69 to 92 grains and 1844ft/lb
    Cerf Sika (sika) 2 000 joules w/bullet 10-19 grams equates to 154 to 293 grains and 1475ft/lb
    Daim (fallow deer) 2 000 joules w/bullet 6-10 grams equates to 92 to 154 grains and 1475ft/lb
    Chevreuil (roe deer) 1 000 joules w/bullet 6-10 grams equates to 92 to 154 grains and 737ft/lb

    Itís interesting that Sika require heavier bullets than Red deer yet less energy. Also that the bullet weight for roe wouldnít permit the use of .222 which from what I read is commonly used to shoot roe in France.

    Iíve seen the Q and A book for the hunting examination that you mention in several supermarkets in France, I think Iíll pick one up when next in France and have a go at understanding it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by enfieldspares View Post
    I've a few French books on shooting there. All I can find at the moment is Daniel Babo "Toutes Les Chasses". He gives a table but I don't know if it is his opinion or the law as he stays silent on that issue! All are minimum energy at 100 metres.

    Sanglier (wild boar) 2,500 joules w/bullet 10-19 grams
    Cerf Elaphe (red deer) 2 500 joules w/bullet 4.5-6 grams
    Cerf Sika (sika) 2 000 joules w/bullet 10-19 grams
    Daim (fallow deer) 2 000 joules w/bullet 6-10 grams
    Chevreuil (roe deer) 1 000 joules w/bullet 6-10 grams

    As 4.5-6 grams isn't a lot in grains either it is a misprint or an "odd" personal opinion! It surely can't be the law? Nowhere is a minimum calibre specified.

    Somewhere I've a book like those driving test Q and A publications with the 2000 or thereabouts Permis de Chasse syllabus and exam questions. If I can find it I'll see what it says. That will be the law at that date!
    According to the reloading tables I should be able to push a suitable (tough) 156 grain bullet to about 2900 fps MV from my 6.5-284. That equates to about 2913ftlbs of ME, or 3950J of ME.

    But, is that how the French assess permissable cartridges/calibres for quarry?

    and... if it is

    Does the above qualify?

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