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    Do you think

    Do you think we need to keep the extra month on doe's south of the boarder.

    North of the boarder have there problems with hard weather and the like but we folks down south really dont.

    IMHO we dont need it. What is your opinion and why.

    Max

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    Max, my ground has heavy game shooting over it and its very hard to get the time in undisturbed on does to get the cull, so the extra month is very important.

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    I would have to say it depends on your ground and the access to it.

    If you are able to come and go as you please on your land during the game season and you keep at it, you should in all fairness be able to get your doe cull completed beore March comes around.
    I know people who have real problems being able to get into the woods come November because of the shoot days and they aren't able to get back in until the seasons over; If things don't go your way in Feb and your single handed it can be difficult, the extension can be a godsend if somewhat unpalatable.

    ATB
    Moses

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    If it were me i would have started the does on the first of Oct that way you can make a visual choice of what to cull there is also no chance at all of a welfare issue if BP rules are follow. March to me is not about deer management its about easy Kills and i dont shoot does in March. Reasons because the deer are thin weak and carrying young there normal rule of thumb flight if disturbed which makes them so hard to stalk and such a sporting animal seems to get less and less as the hunger really hurts. So for me no we do not need to shoot heavy pregnant females in march if we do maybe we need help with our cull as we are clearly not up to the task.

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    I usually draw a line under mature does about the 1st -8th march.This year I've said the 8th but will be very selective from now on.
    But it is still handy for mopping single barren and doe yearlings up.
    Good recon time for finding clean bucks also.
    I have to be sustainable so am cautious and not usually under any strain to reduce numbers to much.
    Each to their own I say its up to each stalker to MANAGE his ground and deer as he sees fit.

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    Max, there are several estates over this way who say the fallow cull could not be completed after pheasant shooting has finished if we did not have the extra month.

    Simon
    Blindness to suffering is an inherent consequence of natural selection. Nature is neither kind nor cruel but fiercely indifferent.

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    Personally I have no problem with the extra month and make full use of it but my circumstances are slightly different to most.

    What is disapointing is the fact that the Sport of gameshooting is clearly coming before the needs of effective deer management on many estates.

    Be careful what you wish for as the next time that deer seasons etc are reviewed I can see the male close season disappearing altogether and the females being much reduced. Many of the people involved in wildlife management now have no respect for the birds and animals (or nature in general) themselves and would be happy to kill every last deer, buzzard, badger if it meant there would be one extra pheasant or grouse to charge someone to shoot.

    JC

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    Some of my ground has such limited access that I probably won't achieve the cull even with the month of March. If you can get it done before March then that's fine, but what is the real issue here? There are no deer welfare reasons here at all are there? The fact that they may be hungry and leave cover is merely a bonus if you are culling for management purposes and not purely for sport. If you cull purely for sport, then you probably haven't a cull target to meet anyway! Although some may find it distasteful, shooting heavily pregnant females doesn't create a deer welfare problem. Infact, it is positively encouraged as 'best practice' for Muntjac so what is the difference? As long as you are not chasing them around too much, I can't see an issue.
    So, seeing as most deer are born end of May into June, why don't we overlap the buck season by a month and cull Does until the end of April?
    MS

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    Quote Originally Posted by JC275 View Post
    What is disapointing is the fact that the Sport of gameshooting is clearly coming before the needs of effective deer management on many estates.
    JC
    JC, Estate shooting, and estate management would not be able to continue in its present form unless birds were sold on let days. Pheasants provide the major income on commercial estates.

    Simon
    Blindness to suffering is an inherent consequence of natural selection. Nature is neither kind nor cruel but fiercely indifferent.

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    Jc I find your post very intresting, if I ran a commercial shoot and farm I might find the deer a nuisance and shoot them all,after all someone has to pay my wages and what you pay for stalking would not go far. As for the male close season dissapearing, what would be wrong with that, a good deer manager would not be affected only the trouphy hunters who want males in hard horn. as for the females season its up to time scales, if you find it distasteful to shoot heavly pregnant does don,t do it, but don,t shoot rabbits, foxes from december, pigeons with young at nest, catch salmon going to sporn, there is nothing sacred about deer, tin hat fitted

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