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Thread: Can't get a 308 unless I join a gun club

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    Can't get a 308 unless I join a gun club

    I assume others have had similar problems, I have a 223 for vermin control as on application I did not shoot deer. The land I now shoot on is only cleared for 243, so I can't apply for 308 unless I join a gun club, there are none near me at glossop. My futher problem is the ground i shoot on at the moment has no deer so will struggle getting even 243 now as I already have 223.

    I realise I can use estate rifles, but would rather have my own rifle for the job. Has any one got round this one. I assume you can't use your land just to zero then go deer stalking else where.

    Would rather have 308 as I've been told 243 is not enough for red, but it's looking like I'm getting neither. I would like to get into deer stalking, however the rules to get started don't help.

    Regards oli

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    Where are you planning to go stalking?

    Basically you need to show good reason before they'll grant a rifle for deer. Good reason could be that you have access and permission for ground with deer on, OR that you are going on paid/guided stalks somewhere. If it's the latter they will usually want to see written proof of future bookings.

    Regarding the zeroing, if the land isn't cleared it will be tricky. Maybe you could get your FEO to come and see your 'range' where you intend to zero it with a view to giving you the ok for zeroing only on that ground?

    Alex

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    If you can prove to them that you are stalking, some letters showing booked stalking will do it, that is 'good reason' to have a deer rifle. Many people are granted deer calibre rifles under these circumstances. This is how I was granted my FAC.

    The problem with joining a gun club is that you will be granted a FAC with 308 on it, but it will probably be restricted for 'target sports only' and therefore the problem with using it for stalking still exists. If you get the 308 granted for stalking then it will allow for 'zeroing and practice on approved ranges' therefore all your options are covered! Sorted.

    Now all you need to do is get some stalking booked, as if you needed an excuse!!
    Last edited by ScottC; 25-02-2011 at 08:06.

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    You don't need your own ground Oli
    Just book a stalk and get confirmation of booking, that's good reason enough

    It's quite likely they'll put the mentoring condition on your ticket, but there are ways around that too.
    One way is to start quoting paragraphs of the HO guidlines but that can be a risky strategy and can be ongoing for months.
    But the easiest way is to get the person you booked the stalk with to write a letter saying you are safe.

    You can use land for zeroing and stalk elsewhere if the land is cleared for that calibre or if you have open cert
    "It's halfway down the hill, directly below that tree next to a rock that looks like a bell-end"

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    Oli

    Another step to take that will help to is to get your DSC I done. Also, I don't know how active the BDS is in your area, but joining that would be another way of building contacts.

    Regards JCS

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    Some goods answers/advice being given here. You would do well to read up on Chapter 13 of the HO Guidance which is available from the stickie at the top of this section of the forum. The relevant section for giving 'Good Reason' for deer calibres in relation to nominated land is:

    13.30 An applicant who wishes to shoot deer
    should name land which has the likelihood of
    the appropriate deer species being present,
    and an invitation, booking or authority to
    shoot. Many deer stalkers will rely on
    invitations to shoot on payment rather than
    be hired or paid to do so and may not be
    able to shoot regularly or frequently, though
    others may be permanently employed, for
    example Forestry Commission staff. Hunting
    large animals with powerful rifles requires
    particular skill, and applicants should generally
    have experience of firearms.


    Quote Originally Posted by Oli223 View Post
    My futher problem is the ground i shoot on at the moment has no deer so will struggle getting even 243 now as I already have 223.

    I realise I can use estate rifles, but would rather have my own rifle for the job. Has any one got round this one. I assume you can't use your land just to zero then go deer stalking else where.
    No reason why you shouldn't use the ground you already shoot over for zeroing/checking purposes. I'd like to see any FEO try to justify why an 'upgrade' to .308 couldn't be achieved on land already cleared for .243!

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    Thanks for your help. I've been and spoken with licencing, they were very helpfull. They won't grant me 243 or 308 on the land I have as there is no deer there. Not even allowed a 243 on land which will allow it as have 223 and there's no deer. If I want 308 I have to get a permission letter from land owner or someone whocan give permission like an agent. Again they won't up grade the land I have to 308 so I can zero, again you can't use land just to zero it must have deer on it. So now have the impossible task of getting some land near me with deer on it cleared for 308. Otherwise I can't use the rifle unless out stalking, giving me no opportunity to practice.

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    I got my .308 on the basis of booked stalks for larger species of deer (the FLO questioned if I would need a .243 and .308 on my land just for roe).

    Now I have had some more land cleared for my .308 but the FLO wasn't really interested in what was on the land just that it was safe to use rifles up to that calibre on there.

    I suppose it depends on your force and even the individual officer that comes out, however I have always found Northumbria police very accommodating.

    Gez

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oli223 View Post
    Thanks for your help. I've been and spoken with licencing, they were very helpfull.
    Helpfully obstructive?
    "It's halfway down the hill, directly below that tree next to a rock that looks like a bell-end"

    Good deals with ~ deako ~ sakowsm ~ dryan ~ 2734neil ~ mo ~ riggers ~ mmbeatle ~ seanct ~ an du ru fox

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oli223 View Post
    Thanks for your help. I've been and spoken with licencing, they were very helpfull. They won't grant me 243 or 308 on the land I have as there is no deer there. Not even allowed a 243 on land which will allow it as have 223 and there's no deer. If I want 308 I have to get a permission letter from land owner or someone whocan give permission like an agent. Again they won't up grade the land I have to 308 so I can zero, again you can't use land just to zero it must have deer on it. So now have the impossible task of getting some land near me with deer on it cleared for 308. Otherwise I can't use the rifle unless out stalking, giving me no opportunity to practice.
    As Si says, not really very helpful if they are being obstructive and the piece highlighted above is totally erroneous - by extension does it mean I have to dodge between running deer to zero my rifle in the field?

    So, the answer to your problem is to get everything in place so that you satisfy the 'primary' good reason for possession of a .308 - i.e. have land/good reason by way of booked outings - and get it granted. Once you have the firearm on ticket and in your possession then go back to the FLD and ask them to re-inspect your land with a view to you zeroing/checking on it. If they then refuse your perfectly reasonable request in writing you can start the ball rolling to request justification for their actions.

    The thing is that you'll not be asking for anything to do with your existing land to satisfy the initial reason to obtain your .308, so they can't realistically link the two together at a later date.
    Last edited by Orion; 25-02-2011 at 12:39.

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