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    This should help with BASC questions.

    Today the director of communications of BASC joined the site, he has joined to answer any questions that we may have, here is his intro http://www.thestalkingdirectory.co.u...73-Just-joined

    I think this is quite timely as this morning I received my electricity statement and it raises a point with BASC!

    I pay my electric bill by Direct Debit and by doing so get a 5% discount on my bill, BASC have offered the same direct debit facility but at a cost to members. Christopher could you please explain why one company offers a discount and another charges, both for the same facility.

    John
    A clever man knows his strengths, a wise man knows his weaknesses

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    First of all I feel congratulations are due to the SD team for running the site in such a manner that both David and Christopher of BASC are willing to openly engage the members in debate. How many other forums can claim the open participation of such representatives?

    In response to JAYB's coments on paying his electricity bill, I too receive a discount, but only if I pay annually and in advance. Quite the reverse, it seems to how John's electricity company operates. Clearly, alternative incentives exist within the industry.

    Despite David's assertion that membership fees have not risen I choose to view this development in an alternative light. That is, that membership fees have risen, to a maximum of £73 if paid over ten months but with members opting to pay quarterly by DD receiving a discount of approximately 7%, or £5, and members paying annualy receiving a discount of 9.5%, or £7.

    Somebody mentioned Country Club Cover. That appears to be available on an annual basis at £19.95 or a six monthly basis at £12.95. Take the latter option and you pay £5.95 or nearly 30% more than you would on the annual option. Now who's milking the cash cow?

    The saying "But cheap, buy twice" is as relevant here as it is with regard to any other investment. Look to cheaper alternatives if you choose, but be aware that when push comes to shove it is the best resourced and most capable that will likely win the day. That's why BASC gets my support.
    Last edited by Iwrch; 10-03-2011 at 12:26.
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    Iwrch thats a nice reply and i am sure when you get on the council i am sure Chris and David will by you a pint at the first Travel Lodge. Not forgetting the straw . May i ask if BASC are in disscussion with the Deer Sector in Scotland with regards the standard one needs to reach to get on the Fit and Compitent Register. Also what has been BASC,s advice to the commity or what will be there advice when the time comes. ?

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    Thanks for the questions.

    On the Direct Debit there are a few points that should be borne in mind. There's been widespread demand for a DD facility from people who found the one off payment too big a hit for one month. I want to ensure that those people can remain members of BASC and have advocated a phased system for some time. Practice from utility or insurance companies will vary across the country. Utilities will give you a discount because they want to tie you in, reduce their costs and don't want the bad publicity of cutting you off - they're operating on a scale way beyond ours. Insurance companies can charge you a premium for a DD facility - they'll often justify it as a charge for the credit. In BASC's case decisions on pricing for membership are taken by the Council elected by the members on advice from staff. I suspect Council considered the major rewrite of our membership database to enable it to offer DD and the extra staffing required to deal with the new accounting requirements and problem payments when making a decision. In the end the premium is still less than a packet of fags and the new DD - launched on March 1st is already proving very popular. But no one is forcing you to take out a direct debit or become a member of BASC. That's down to your own choice. Joining a shooting organisation should be less about the services you get and more about the defence and promotion of the sport. I'd want to give my hard earned cash to the organisation who I believe can do that job - giving it to an ineffective or inactive organisation to save a few pounds doesn't seem sensible to me. But in the end it's your choice.

    Christopher

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    Quote Originally Posted by 6pointer View Post
    Iwrch thats a nice reply and i am sure when you get on the council i am sure Chris and David will by you a pint at the first Travel Lodge. Not forgetting the straw . May i ask if BASC are in disscussion with the Deer Sector in Scotland with regards the standard one needs to reach to get on the Fit and Compitent Register. Also what has been BASC,s advice to the commity or what will be there advice when the time comes. ?
    Yes, we've been deeply involved in the discussions on deer in Scotland for decades - Colin Shedden, our Director in Scotland was at one time a Deer Commissioner. he came off last summer.

    The "Fit and Competent" register was introduced by the 1996 Deer Act Scotland. This has nothing to do with normal stalking but applies to licensed night and out of season shooting. BASC recognises that the law demands that people being licensed for such shooting should be - as the Act says - "deemed fit and competent".

    This shouldn't be confused with with the proposed register contained in the WANE Bill - yet to be enacted - which is proposed for anyone who stalks unaccompanied in Scotland. BASC have always argued that a voluntary approach to gaining competency is by far the best. Under the current terms of the Bill SNH will review stalker competency in 2013 and we have until then to demonstrate that the voluntary approach is working. We're collaborating with other shooting organisations and LANTRA to do just that and discussions are ongoing.

    Christopher

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    Quote Originally Posted by C Graffius View Post
    Thanks for the questions.

    On the Direct Debit there are a few points that should be borne in mind. There's been widespread demand for a DD facility from people who found the one off payment too big a hit for one month. I want to ensure that those people can remain members of BASC and have advocated a phased system for some time. Practice from utility or insurance companies will vary across the country. Utilities will give you a discount because they want to tie you in, reduce their costs and don't want the bad publicity of cutting you off - they're operating on a scale way beyond ours. Insurance companies can charge you a premium for a DD facility - they'll often justify it as a charge for the credit. In BASC's case decisions on pricing for membership are taken by the Council elected by the members on advice from staff. I suspect Council considered the major rewrite of our membership database to enable it to offer DD and the extra staffing required to deal with the new accounting requirements and problem payments when making a decision. In the end the premium is still less than a packet of fags and the new DD - launched on March 1st is already proving very popular. But no one is forcing you to take out a direct debit or become a member of BASC. That's down to your own choice. Joining a shooting organisation should be less about the services you get and more about the defence and promotion of the sport. I'd want to give my hard earned cash to the organisation who I believe can do that job - giving it to an ineffective or inactive organisation to save a few pounds doesn't seem sensible to me. But in the end it's your choice.

    Christopher
    Christopher,

    thanks for that, but is that the reason or what you suspect. As for extra staff surely this would just be a temporary thing until the database was rewritten and even that would be done by outside contractors or have I got that wrong. Also I do not understand "problem payments when making a decision" I do not wish to make unnecessary waves but by the same token being told that it would cost less than packet of fags, I don't smoke so that has no relevance to me, and that no one is forcing me to join is not really want I want to hear. If I were BASC I would be more concerned about forcing people to leave than to join, this is making me consider my renewal, it all seems a bit negative and dismissive to me in the format above.

    John

    John
    A clever man knows his strengths, a wise man knows his weaknesses

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    Just viewed the site to see whats happening. Due to lack of activity will the Scottish members get a discount I wonder. Plenty fairs and activities south of the border, Nothing after Saturday on the Scottish calender,
    Jim

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    It wasn't intended to sound negative or dismissive - far from it. My personal opinion is that phased payments is a great step forwards because it makes it possible for people to be members when they find the single payment difficult. For the same reasons concessions for the unemployed keep BASC a broader church than we might become if such measures hadn't been introduced. Council did not give reasons for their decision, but I sit as a non-voting member and the above is my personal view of what they considered. Our membership database is managed internally, it's far too important to leave to contractors. Introducing annual DD's a few years back generated considerable work when banks declined payment because we get into debt accounting and the problems associated with cancellation or non-payment. We must also process more payments. While retention of members is always high on my list the good news is that BASC's retention rate hovers around 90% - a figure that is higher than any other retehtion rate I've ever heard of and one for which most membership organisations would give their eye teeth. The last survey of members showed a satisfaction rate with BASC running at 96%. We monitor both figures on a regular basis.

    Christopher

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo123p View Post
    Just viewed the site to see whats happening. Due to lack of activity will the Scottish members get a discount I wonder. Plenty fairs and activities south of the border, Nothing after Saturday on the Scottish calender,
    Jim
    Jimbo, well spotted. I've drawn that to the attention of Colin Shedden and the forward events list will be updated.

    Christopher

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    Quote Originally Posted by C Graffius View Post
    Thanks for the questions.

    On the Direct Debit there are a few points that should be borne in mind. There's been widespread demand for a DD facility from people who found the one off payment too big a hit for one month. I want to ensure that those people can remain members of BASC and have advocated a phased system for some time. Practice from utility or insurance companies will vary across the country. Utilities will give you a discount because they want to tie you in, reduce their costs and don't want the bad publicity of cutting you off - they're operating on a scale way beyond ours. Insurance companies can charge you a premium for a DD facility - they'll often justify it as a charge for the credit. In BASC's case decisions on pricing for membership are taken by the Council elected by the members on advice from staff. I suspect Council considered the major rewrite of our membership database to enable it to offer DD and the extra staffing required to deal with the new accounting requirements and problem payments when making a decision. In the end the premium is still less than a packet of fags and the new DD - launched on March 1st is already proving very popular. But no one is forcing you to take out a direct debit or become a member of BASC. That's down to your own choice. Joining a shooting organisation should be less about the services you get and more about the defence and promotion of the sport. I'd want to give my hard earned cash to the organisation who I believe can do that job - giving it to an ineffective or inactive organisation to save a few pounds doesn't seem sensible to me. But in the end it's your choice.

    Christopher
    Well Im sorry but for the Membership prices you are asking,i would like top services,All Basc has done in my opinion is make more hurdles for folk to jump over,you don't need a DSC1 and 2 for shooting rabbits or Wild boar, and cleaning them and selling the meat,how on earth do deer differ from a wild boar or rabbit when stalked,shot and Gralloched ???
    Or will Rabbits and Wild Boar come under your control next ???

    Bernie

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