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    Runners!!!

    Truth be said now chaps, How many of you have taken a shot only to see your beast

    vanish into the undergrowth. Which brings me to the reason for this post.

    How many of you have or have access to a Deer dog ?

    For myself, I do not own a Deer dog but do have access to one, I think anyone

    who stalks deer in woodland conditions, should give this serious consideration.

    I see it is a legal requirement in Germany & Sweden for Stalkers.

    Do you think it may also come into play in the UK ?

    Rgds, Buck.
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    Good point.
    I have had a few runners maybe get 4 a year, mostly when i am using my 22-250 very rarely do i get runners with my .270 as they are dropped on the spot with the occasional legs up in the air twitching like a dead fleck.(actually I know a few women like that as well)

    I dont have a dog and sometimes wish that i had ,we do have access to one but I have never used it.
    First and foremost I am one of those stalkers who feels that a dog should be only used as a tool to find runners and would never have a dog accompanying me . Some swear by them being with you I find with my type of stalking that to many chances are missed as deer especially Roe deer scent or see the dog before you. some are mesmorised with its presence others leg it quickly so its my choice not to be accompanied by a dog.

    Keeping a dog in a car until its needed would be the only other option for me , but thats one i would not consider either as its unfair and not humane to leave a dog locked in the back of a vehicle on the possibility that it may be needed so my choice again I dont have a dog.
    But if I really got stuck and could not find a downed beast then I would ring one of the guys who lives local and ask him to bring his dog out which he has agreed to.
    Like I said I havent had to ring him ,I have been fortunate to find them by following the blood trail myself and in one occurance quartering and griding the ground until i found it when the blood trail was lost.

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    please read my article GREAT DAY FOR THE DOG i think the dog work brings with it an extra vacet to stalking bit like reloading i suppose some folks are dog people some are not, good to know someone that is .i think the more deer one shoots then the inevitable will happen and you loose one then trying with a dog can only help to ease the pain of a lost animal should the dog fail to find it too ! at least you tried .

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    This lad has got me out of the brown stuff a few times normaly once or twice per year I will need him to find an animal for me. I have not had to use him this doe season. Last year I chest shot an animal missed the hear just above fully expanded took both lungs. the animal still made it 150m before it realised it was dead on its feet. I would have struggeled to find it without the dog. The deer in the picture only went 70m but it was in thick cover. It decided to go up hill away from water so clearly hadn't been reading the same books as me!! without the dog I would have struggled to find this animal.



    Dave

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    Agree with Norma 308 here. I am very much a dog person so therefore the addition of a deer dog to my stalking is the way I go. He is very much part of the stalking day and has been since he was 6 months old. Not needed every day out but if he is to me it's like enjoying another aspect of my way of life and what I enjoy. I don't see him as a dog. He is my stalking partner and he certainly contributes to my day.
    Whether we should all by law require a deer dog, I do not think so. Some persons enjoy dogs and have the ability to train/condition a dog for deer some don't. Not necessarily that they don't have or could learn the skills required but just that their working/family life may not suit a dedicated deer dog or for that matter any dog. What I do believe should be law is that anyone stalking should have access to a dog. Nobody intends to wound and loose a beast but it will happen to anybody who stalks. We must be in a position to address that situation as it arises. A good dog is the answer.
    There are many on here who travel well out with their home areas to stalk. Getting in touch with local guys who have dogs may not be a bad idea. I think it has been suggested before but a directory of deer dogs available through the site maybe of advantage to travelling stalkers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gazza View Post
    Agree with Norma 308 here. I am very much a dog person so therefore the addition of a deer dog to my stalking is the way I go. He is very much part of the stalking day and has been since he was 6 months old. Not needed every day out but if he is to me it's like enjoying another aspect of my way of life and what I enjoy. I don't see him as a dog. He is my stalking partner and he certainly contributes to my day.
    Whether we should all by law require a deer dog, I do not think so. Some persons enjoy dogs and have the ability to train/condition a dog for deer some don't. Not necessarily that they don't have or could learn the skills required but just that their working/family life may not suit a dedicated deer dog or for that matter any dog. What I do believe should be law is that anyone stalking should have access to a dog. Nobody intends to wound and loose a beast but it will happen to anybody who stalks. We must be in a position to address that situation as it arises. A good dog is the answer.
    There are many on here who travel well out with their home areas to stalk. Getting in touch with local guys who have dogs may not be a bad idea. I think it has been suggested before but a directory of deer dogs available through the site maybe of advantage to travelling stalkers.
    What a brilliant idea
    Maybe admin could incl a section of those with dogs who would be prepared to assist and state what area you in so any would be stalker who may have a problem could contact those with a deer dog.
    I for one would appreciate contact numbers in the Dumfries area and would be only to willing to pay out of pocket expenses to someone who would be prepared to assist should their be a need.

    If anyone from Dumfries is reading this and your up for it please contact me by P.M with your phone number so I can save it should I need assistance.
    Thanks
    Stu
    Last edited by Mannlicher_Stu; 20-03-2011 at 14:03.

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    I'm lucky in this regard in that I don't own a dog but everywhere I shoot there is at least one dog available for follow up if required.
    I am also fortunate in that I have only actually had to use a dog a couple of times, never since I started using the .308 for everything though.

    +another for Gazza and Stu for the idea of a dog register, I don't know how it would be organised and worked but on the face of it it seems like a good idea.

    Not in support of legislation or legal requirement though, like everything else in the UK, DSC1 and DSC2 for instance, it would quickly be sown up between a couple of providers and then of course the costs would shoot up too.

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    Not everyone can afford the time or the expense of having their own dog.
    +1 on the idea of a Deer dog register.
    basil.
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    I have a dog, not what I would call a deer dog, but it is a hunting dog and although I haven't used one of my own in the field properly yet, I'm sure they'll be up to the task. I always have access to a deer dog where I stalk and on two occassions have found them invaluable. This is why I'm currently doing bits of tracking work with my own dogs.

    I think a register of trained dogs and handlers is a good idea, help to find any beast lost is fantastic, as long as the dog owners don't mind being disturbed at unsociable hours!!

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    Most of my stalking is fallow, and I would say pretty much every chest shot animal we take will usually make a good few yards, and a hundred yards plus is certainly not uncommon! We have a lot of woodland on our ground and my GSP has saved the day on a few occasions! It is amazing how hard a fallow deer is to see in woodland, even when you are practically on top of it!!

    +1 for a dog directory, and if anyone local to me needs a hand please don't be afraid to ask or pm for my number for the future.

    ATB

    Tom

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