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    roe per acre

    i know this is a bit open ended but i have been given permission on ground of nearly 1800 acres of commercial forestry which is bordered by another 2000 acres of brand new planting and was just wondering how do you work out how much deer you should have on the land to keep population in good order . the 1800 has some clear fell 300acres and about 450 new planting your thoughts much appreciated
    cheers webby

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    Webby i have ground and it has been night scoped by the pro,s SNH and they say i have around.(see post by snh) The deer are all very healthy and adult weights are on average 40 lb some bucks nearer 50lb

    Several large groups of deer were observed
    living and feeding in green spaces immediately
    beside commercial and residential property.
    Using the observed numbers as a rough
    estimate this would indicate a density in

    excess of 40 deer km
    2. This clearly highlighted

    that roe deer are adapting to living in close

    proximity to busy commuter road networks and
    settlements. In response to this, DCS is
    developing a count programme for the winter
    of 2010-11 to better understand the scale and
    distribution of these growing populations in



    the Central Belt

    I AM SURE THERE IS SOME ONE THAT CAN WORK OUT ACRES INTO KILM
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    1800 acre = 7.28434 kmē

    Which equates to 291 deer on your figures ,seems a lot


    Without actually doing a count on the ground the above figures seems to be really high I would expect considerably less
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    Stu i didnt do the count (SNH) and would have it at around half that amount but we need to take the experts numbers if we are to get it correct. They used normal techinics and thermal imaging

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    Quote Originally Posted by 6pointer View Post
    Stu i didnt do the count (SNH) and would have it at around half that amount but we need to take the experts numbers if we are to get it correct. They used normal techinics and thermal imaging
    I would have said half those figures as being the norm but you never know the figures given as you say are for that particular area the survey has been carried out on, who am I to say its incorrect

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    so if we say half that figure how many would you have to cull for annual figure

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    50% comprising of equal bucks and does but be selective

    In the areas you have plantings you can increase it to 60% and graph off with pins on a chart/map beasts shot, different colour for each sex and also pin off sightings so you can tell where at a glance your noting more activity than others for future reference.

    It builds up a positive behaviour plan as well
    From this information you will be able to identify where abouts the matriatic does are and there satalite offsping and use it to your advantage in both doe cull and buck cull for were the big doe are she will be the one controlling the area and push her syblings out, whatever you do dont take her out where there are new plantings as you will see deer moving all over the place and the forest owners will not be pleased with her syblings munching her patch.
    Shes the best friend of the forester for she more than the master buck widenens the feeding area of her offspring
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    I normally shoot a 3RD of what i think my ground holds to keep it sustainable to lower the number then i increase that number. (but i am offten wrong and need to look again half way through) We estimated that we had about 100 roe on 350 acres two years ago since then we shot 25 does and 25 bucks this was to reduce numbers. We did a count and decided that we need to remove more this season. We removed over 50 does this year and are still seeing plenty. but hey we will get it right some day.

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    David- I'm not disputing the figures that you have quoted as there maybe local densities such as the former group of 7 in the Glasgow Necropolis (sadly poached) which distorts the figures. However, the Count carried out between Cumbernauld and Robroyston was indicating a figure of 27 per km2. This figure being verified by someone on the Count who I have shot with over the last year.

    ATB
    Andy

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    Hi there,

    In my professional opinion, you wouldn't be far out if you work on the assumption of one deer per 20 acres (assuming you're talking about the borders) and you won't be far out.

    About 90 deer (Roe) is what you should be realistically looking at.

    Do you have any past records of reproductive performance in the breeding aged does that have been shot in the past, say three years? From that you'd have the basis on which to formulate a cull plan.

    Please do get in touch if you need any advice on this.

    Best regards,

    Mike
    (Director - Jelen Deer Services) http://www.jelendeer.com

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