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    Deer management course

    Hello All I wonder if anyone has an answer.

    About 18 years ago I took a course that was the predessesor of DMQ. It was run by City and Guilds and was part of the level 2 Gamekeeping and woodland management NVQ at the time. It lasted 10 days and was more indepth than the level 1 dsc. In fact it was almost upto level 2 dsc.

    We sat a test, range work. simulated stalk ,the lot. About 2 years later I took it again as I was delivering part of the course at at the time was assessing , internal verifieing and external verifieing for NVQ level 2 game keeping. I then had a large part to play in the writting of level 3 NVQ game keeping. The sylibus was then lifted from this NVQ and became the DMQ about 2 years later. These dates are off the top of my head but are close.

    2 points, 1, I am now told that my qulification is possibly worthless and I should start again. 2, I would like to use my knowledge and education back ground to do a bit of good. I contacted the deer iniative in this area and a year later have still not recieved a message back so can only assume they dont need any help or are just poor at emails.

    Could I ask you all for some informed thoughts.

    Many thanks

    Mark

    Sorry about the spelling but I cant get the spellcheck to work
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    The DI get alot of there funding from government north and south of the border and most of it it for reasurch work and education work contact your government rep and ask why they have not replied may be they dont need governemt funding or any of our TAX payers cash.

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    Your Correct I also completed The Woodland Stalking Certificate in the early 80s at Bowscar run by The British Deer Society which is the forerunner of DSC1 exactly the same course no different but without the Hygiene part

    I was also told it was worthless so had to start all over again
    I am now up to date with all of the paper Qualification inc the LANTRA one for both large and small game just in case the move the criteria again I am not going to get stuffed again.

    Good luck with trying to get them to accept your old qualification but I dont think you will get any joy on the matter.
    Regards
    ALF

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    Regarding helping, depending on what you were thinking about, you might get more of a response from the British Deer Society or one of the other approved Assessment Centres rather than the DI. The DI is meant to be more about determining/influencing policy and co-ordinating management rather than delivering training.

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    I should say that this course was run at the FC at thetford and we had ten days out with the rangers as well as class room lectures. This was before even the BDS got involved and was industry lead with the awarding body being city and guilds. At the time it included the game handling requirments but since then I have taken large and small game handling as well.

    Can I just sit the exam?
    STALKING. WILD BOAR IN FRANCE. SOLE UK AGENT FOR BACONNES DOMAINE DE CHASSE. TRAINING. DSC 1 COURSES AND DSC 2 WITNESSING. FIRST AID FOR STALKERS.
    Follow us on Facebook and Twitter.
    www.stalkinginengland.co.uk Stalkers online shop at www.deerstalkingequipmentandclothing.co.uk
    www.hunteurope.co.uk or contact 01728 745066 during office hours.


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    Quote Originally Posted by bunwell wood shoot View Post
    I should say that this course was run at the FC at thetford and we had ten days out with the rangers as well as class room lectures. This was before even the BDS got involved and was industry lead with the awarding body being city and guilds. At the time it included the game handling requirments but since then I have taken large and small game handling as well.

    Can I just sit the exam?

    YES for your DSC1 but will need to shoot and get witnessed 3 deer for the DSC2
    Regards
    Alf

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    at one point your qualification could be swapped for DSC1 but i think the cut off point was about three years back ,mate , good luck with that anyway

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    why not email BDS training dept your extensive knowledge could be put to good use.do you have any of old certificates?
    There are many out there who would benifit from your skills that call themselves qualified stalkers and have collected bits of paper (all the gear and no idea). you may also find friends in local BDS branch who are only too willing to learn.

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    I think that there is some confusion here. The DSC1 evolved from the National Stalkers Compertence Certificate, holders of one had plenty of time to convert it to the other and it was widely announced in the sporting press, I think there was an 15 admin charge. Many people couldn't be bothered but probably now wish they had.

    The NSCC evolved from the Woodland Stalkers Compertence Certificate, again, to the best of my memory, there was a changeover period but I don't think there was any admin charge. Many people couldn't be bothered but probably now wish they had.

    The BDS also ran the Advanced Stalkers Certificate, now recognised by LANTRA and called the Deer Management course.

    Sparsholt College ran the Advanced National Certificate in Agriculture (Deer Management) Course, at the time, the only full time study deer course available although Sparsholt and other colleges offered Deer Management modules that could be tacked onto other game courses.

    City and Guilds courses were run by FE Colleges and were often linked to YTS Gamekeeping/Forestry courses. I believe that NVQ's are the sucessor of these and other similar awards. I do not think there was any suggestion that C&G awards were ever linked to WSCC/NSCC/DSC although the content may well have been similar.

    The St Huberts Club have a very comprehensive training system that is also recognised by LANTRA.

    Obviously, in addition to the above, many people/groups/organisations offered training courses that did not lead to any qualification only a home produced, Blue Peter style certificate.

    As I understand it (but would like to know more), NVQ's are very flexible and are 'Industry recognised'. I believe that they can be obtained by putting together portfolios of 'Recognised prior leaning'.

    JC

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    Similar to my situation , I did the professional stalkers course on Rhum in the early 80s this was a full weeks course [ you had to be employed as a stalker to get on the course]

    This course was ran by the then British field sports society, in conjunction with the Red Deer Commission, and the Nature Conservancy Council

    When DMQ first started was told by them I could exchange my certificate for a DMQ level 1,, however when I applied
    was told I would have to be re assessed no need to do course, just sit exam, as things had changed since I did the course
    ie law, best practice etc.

    Makes one wonder how long before they say the same about our present DMQs

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