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    DSC 1

    I have recently taken up stalking and received my FAC. As can be seen from a couple of my other posts on here I am a complete beginner to stalking and centrefire rifles although I have been shooting clays, game and vermin for a number of years.

    The question I have is this - my FAC has a supervision condition on it which can be discharged by either an experienced rifle shooter writing a letter to the FLO when they feel I am safe to shoot unaccompanied or by taking and passing my DSC 1. Is the DSC a worthwhile investment or I would I be better sticking to accruing experience?

    Thought I would test the wealth of knowledge on here before parting with my pennies!

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    There's nothing that beats experience and actually 'doing it' especially under the guidance of a good mentor. However the DSC 1 is a good course and IMHO it is worth the money . Not just what you will learn from the actual course but from the other participants as well . May pick up some useful contacts for the future as well.
    My advice is pick your course and venue wisely and enjoy
    Regards FB

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    Hi Chris,
    I think you will enjoy, and learn a lot from the DSC1 sylabus.
    I would not do it solely to help remove the mentor restriction on your licence. My issuing authority had no idea what the course involved, despite suggesting it would help get one of the restrictions lifted from my licence previously. When I asked them to give me an open ticket I was told the DSC1 was of no importance, and "is more about recognising the species than safety". Perhaps the licencing authority should study for the DSC1 before getting their jobs!
    I now have an open licence, but NOT as a result of passing the DSC1.
    Good luck mate, do it for yourself, not for them.
    Mark

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    I did my DSC1 some years ago at Cirencester through the BDS. I thoroughly enjoyed it, learned a lot and met some great people.

    As others say, do the course for that reason, not just as a way of removing restrictions on your ticket, and you will get a lot out of it. Recognise the course for what it is - a foundation upon which to build experience in the future, rather than any sort of "qualified stalker" accreditation.

    Having done my DSC1 I then went for, and passed, my DSC2. It is much more practical, but again doesn't qualify you as some sort of 'super-stalker'.

    I did the courses because I'm interested in deer and deer management and recognised that your experiences on courses like these - whether those experiences are good and bad - all helps to increase your knowledge.

    If you're new to stalking then my personal view is that the DSC1 would be money well spent. Once you've done it, it's done, and you can then go on to learning from deer in the real world. Most, if not all, that I've learned about the practicalities of stalking and deer management I've learned from the friend who started me stalking and has been kind enough to continue to mentor me.

    willie_gunn

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    I assume that the two criteria you mention are the only ones which your force policy will allow you to stalk alone.
    I had was in a similar situation just over a year ago and I did DSC1. I find myself now going to Country Pursuits in Cricklade to get the advice of Wilf who runs stalking training courses, not DSC1 though. He used to be deer manager on Longleat IIRC. He is well thought of. He says he has taken people on his training course who have passed DSC1 but who did not feel confident about deer stalking.
    I did DSC1 under protest. The training providers objectives were to get us to pass DSC1 and no more. So go figure.
    It depends where you will stalk, some organisations like the forestry commission require DSC2 IIRC and as DSC1 is a recognised as a stalking qualification then some may ask for it.. If you have land to stalk and intend going no further then go out with a mentor, so long as they are not suggested by plod. Be very careful about allowing anyone you do not trust to be your mentor. There is the potential for them to cozy up to the farmer and you lose your shoot.
    It may be better to do DSC1 then learn to stalk afterwards, you do get the food hygiene component in DSC1 which will allow you to sell carcases to game dealers but you get a pittance for them so you will probably keep all you shoot.. DSC1 teaches you some basics. We sat in a classroom for two days going through the questions in the manual and then sitting the exam. and we then did the simulated stalk and the shooting test.

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    "The training providers objectives were to get us to pass DSC1 and no more. So go figure."

    I'm with you 100%, but personally I'd be more worried if I paid my money, went to the course and their objective wasn't to get me to pass DSC1

    BTW, I agree about Wilf - great guy, very helpful, very experienced. It was through him that I got into reloading.

    willie_gunn

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    Why do police forces 'make' you take the DSC 1 when it is not legally required to obtain a FAC.
    I have a supervision on my ticket from west mercier but there was no mention of the DSC 1 being a clause in obtaining it when I asked.
    Once again it needs a central body to look after all these issues regarding firearms and people with knowledge of firearms running it. IMO
    Jonathon

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    All the police asses is whether you are fit and proper, not whether you are any good or safe. DSC comes closest cos there's a safety element to it. A mentor/supervisor is the other way to do it.

    Either way it's the police way of moving responsibility. The other way is to make everyones ticket open, and it moves responsibility onto the shooter, but they can't really justify that for new applicants. Not even me!

    It's not their fault, as they have no effective means to know if you are safe in practice or not, but are expected to make that judgement.

    They know most people find FAC conditions difficult to challenge.

    I didn't have DSC1 as a condition on mine, nor did I have to have a mentor, but my situation meant they couldn't really say no.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snowstorm
    All the police asses is whether you are fit and proper, not whether you are any good or safe. DSC comes closest cos there's a safety element to it. A mentor/supervisor is the other way to do it.

    Either way it's the police way of moving responsibility. The other way is to make everyones ticket open, and it moves responsibility onto the shooter, but they can't really justify that for new applicants. Not even me!

    It's not their fault, as they have no effective means to know if you are safe in practice or not, but are expected to make that judgement.

    They know most people find FAC conditions difficult to challenge.

    I didn't have DSC1 as a condition on mine, nor did I have to have a mentor, but my situation meant they couldn't really say no.
    The last paragraph ?????????????????
    Jonathon

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