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    pure breed or cross breed

    hi all ,i am sure this will attract some interesting points of veiw ,i have been reading a few articles on the subject .i personly can see good points of cross breeding ,but only with thought ,every one has different goals for there dogs look at lurchers for example ,loose some of the greyhound speed by adding collie ,whippet or saluk,and gain some extra brain ,stamina or reduce the size and you have a superb hunting ,pot filling dog ,surely a lot of stalkers ,myself included rough shoot as well as stalk so why not have a dog thats good at lots of things rather than one thats exeptional at a few ,not everyone has the room for specalist dogs for special tasks ,just my point of veiw ,what are yours ?maybe some pure breeds are exelant all rounders ?like to here some posative feedback as i am looking for an allround pup and haven't ruled anything out .cheers arron

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    Without being for or against cross breeds imo there is a big difference between cross breeding dogs to perform one task as in lurchers and cross breeding specialist dogs to obtain a "master cross breed" good at many tasks. There are dogs that can be very good dual purpose dogs, able to perform both in the shooting field as well as stalking but these are mainly pure breeds and not crosses.

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    If I had 1 do it would be a springer spaniel. Hunts, retrieves. I'm sure you could use to track for stalking too!

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    springers are just too busy for me.......and with not enough power/srength for what I do....Great dogs but just not all rounders.....

    Problems being due to its body size it would get cold on the foreshore or under a highseat. (larger animals fair better in cold weather, volume to surface area, ie polar bears)
    They have a natural reaction of beating their tails, not great when foxing etc
    A lightly wounded fox would be too fair a fight, they stand a good chance of getting injured, big dogs just grab and smash as they lift them off the floor.

    All rounders have to be a GWP or the right Labrador......alot of Labs won't cut it on aggressive game, Red, Boar, Sika, Fox. (not all just a fair proportion) Both of these can turn their hand to bird work too. Not as good at flushing, working thick cover(their size is then their un doing but they will get throught the cover eventually)

    Cross breeds are great but you don't always know what you will get, I have a pointer x greyhound, I wanted a fast pointer, I've got a slow greyhound. Saying that he's a very loyal best friend, he does well enough to be of some use but he's not one I'd start breeding from for working.
    Last edited by Dickyboy; 12-08-2011 at 09:04.

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    I have seen some good cross breeds in fact the one of the best dogs, I ever had was a GSP x springer
    However an accidental crossing is one thing a deliberate crossing is something else, when you buy a pup from well bred known parents whilst its no guarantee of how the pup will turn out its at least a good indication.

    In deliberate crossing the outcome is much less certain whilst the intention is to breed a dog with the best traits of both breeds its just as easy to end up with one with the worst of both.

    However you need to remember that our ancestors were much less fussy.

    Spaniel breeds have a large percentage of Setter blood
    HPR breeds have quite a combination of different breeds in their makeup
    When Labradors were first brought to this country their retrieving ability was obvious, their scenting ability was thought to be not that good compared to other hunting breeds, it was common practise to out breed to a pointer to improve nose, now whether this had the desired effect or whether it was all in the minds of the breeders I don't know.

    So there is nothing new about cross breeding in fact most if not all of our present day pure breeds are actually a mixture of various breeds.

    One cross that seems to be gaining in popularity at the present time is the GWP x Labrador these have become very popular with hill keepers,these crosses started to appear around the time that tail docking was banned the cross looks better with a long tail than a pure GWP the crosses are invariably black and look like a hairy Labrador.

    I have never had one of these dogs but those that do say they have all the stamina and working ability of the GWP
    with the ease of training and handling of a Lab.


    This cross has become established enough that now they are breeding cross to cross, it will be interesting to see
    what happens with successive breeding will the traits hold true or will one set of genes prove to be more dominant.

    Or will this prove to be just another fashion in the dog world and fade away in a year or two.

    One thing I can say from my observations is that unlike a lot of crosses these look like they were meant to be, the usual comment from those that don't know what they are is what a bonny dog what breed is it?

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    it will be interesting to see a 1st x back to a 1st x as theoretically you could end up with a pure labrador and a pure GWP in the same litter......One thing that comes of crossing two breeds that really annoys me is this trend to make up tacky breed names....cockerpoos etc

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dickyboy View Post
    it will be interesting to see a 1st x back to a 1st x as theoretically you could end up with a pure labrador and a pure GWP in the same litter......One thing that comes of crossing two breeds that really annoys me is this trend to make up tacky breed names....cockerpoos etc
    My thoughts exactly, I will watch with interest.

    As for breed names how about Labrabasxxxd

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    My shooting dog (see my avatar) is a bit of a mixture:

    1/2 Yellow lab
    1/4 Irish water spaniel
    1/4 Standard poodle

    (and yes, it was a deliberate and planned mating)

    So what is she? My dog.

    I don't refer to her as a labradoodle (she ain't), and I haven't tried to fabricate any other trendy name for her type either.

    What I have is a dog that is fit-for purpose for what I want her to do (I don't use her on deer): fantastic retrieving, plenty of stamina, and a great companion.

    My dog. Cross-breed, mongrel, whatever!

    ATB,

    Merlin
    Nothing is worse than having an itch you can never scratch

    "...Nicely just doesn't cut the cheese....." A new twist on management-speak courtesy of a colleague.

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    Could be an OK mix as the poodle was originally a gundog and the poodle was one the breeds used in forming the Irish water spaniel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bogtrotter View Post
    Could be an OK mix as the poodle was originally a gundog and the poodle was one the breeds used in forming the Irish water spaniel.
    There's nothing up with her nose - and if nowt else, she's a bonny looking dog!
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