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    dogs and how to start training

    Hi Guys

    can anyone point me in the right direction as to which breed most of you use and how you went about training them..

    I got a ESS that does some nose work but not sure if finding game would be a conflict of issues

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    Steyer 6.5

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    I would imagine trying to train an ESS for deer work and general shoot work would be quite a challenge. I'm not saying impossible, but if you want a deer dog then have a deer dog. The choice of breed depends on what you want the dog to do. If it is solely for tracking shot/wounded large game my recommendation would be a bavarian mountain hound, but that is only my preference.

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    Cheers what do you use and how much experience do you have of the breed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steyer 6.5 View Post
    Hi Guys

    can anyone point me in the right direction as to which breed most of you use and how you went about training them..

    I got a ESS that does some nose work but not sure if finding game would be a conflict of issues

    Views adn comments accepted

    Steyer 6.5
    send me a pm with your emaill address i will send you some pdf files to read to get you started

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    Have you trained dogs before ESS would not be the obvious choice for deer work.The working dog kennels in my area do give training to owners and dogs might be an idear to look some up in your area.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steyer 6.5 View Post
    I got a ESS that does some nose work but not sure if finding game would be a conflict of issues
    If you were asked to point out a house brick, and on another day a wheely bin, would you struggle?

    An ESS is MORE than capable of being trained to be a deer dog. It will certainly track both dead and wounded deer. They will never pull a deer down. The main problem with an ESS would be keeping it sensible and under full control (at heal, off lead) while you are out. Trained from 8 weeks old this is not a problem. Trying to train an older dog will be a problem (but not impossible)

    BMH are probably as good as it gets for tracking dead/wounded deer. Not as good at indicating live deer. Some lines have temperement problems.

    Labs are great at staying close, good at heal and reasonable at tracking but lack the controlled aggression needed to pull a wounded deer down

    HPR's are good at all aspects of deer stalking. Deciding which breed within the HPR's will be your hardest choice. Keep away from the show bred dogs, and most of the Field Trial dogs as they can be too hot for a novice trainer to handle. Also make sure the dog is going to be fit for purpose. No good having one of the now popular GSP's that resemble whippets as they get cold quickly and are too light to bring down a dog

    Go on the HPR Forum and see what you fancy

    Buy from a REPUTABLE breeder and NOT someone who has had just a couple years in the breed. Buy from stock that works DEER. Be patient, as most good deer dogs will not "click" until around 2 years old. Most of all, DO YOUR RESEARCH and don't listen to those who sing the praises of ANY breed if 1, its the only breed they have ever owned for working on deer and 2, they are not willing to take you out and prove what they are saying ;-)

    Remember. The best dogs for anything are the dogs bred to do the job. ie Retrievers are the best retrievers. Pointers are the best pointers. Hounds are the best trackers. HPR's are the best hunters, pointers and retrievers. They will never be better at each element than a dog bred for the specific purpose, but having an HPR means you do not need 3 dogs ;-)
    Last edited by dogtired; 28-08-2011 at 20:59. Reason: typo

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    Most important from above is buy a dog with parents that are trained to deer no matter what breed they are,labs can also have the "controlled aggression" that dog tired is talking about,it never ceases to amaze me when people say that
    If you have experience of dogs and know what you're doing go for a german wirehair,if you know what your doing!If your inexperienced go for a lab,from deer orientated parents if possible,not easy most are used at pegs,get the right line of labs though and they can do the job well
    Often scottish dogs,major generalisation and I don't know why but they seem to work deer better
    I have trained numerous breeds and it's hard to beat either the furry alligator or the lab

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    As you don't actually have a dedicated deer dog as yet I don't see any big problem in experimenting with the spaniel just to see what he would do. As pointed out an ESS would not be first choice for a deer dog but I have one at 9 who could be an excellent deer dog. I have used him to locate dead and by the way he grabs them by the throat I would think he would bring down at least roe.

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    Is he quite a big built ESS. That's interesting how he grabs the throat though.

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