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    UK Deer Dog Group

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    The SD site is well supported with some 1200 members/users. Is there sufficient interest to trial a UK Deer Dog Group, similar to those in Scandanavia? SD members would have access to trained deer dog volunteers to follow up injured deer. Access could be through the website showing UK wide deer dog coverage by region including callout details/volunteer availability etc. Whilst currently such arrangements often exist at local DMG level, the UK has nothing as joined up as the Danish National Register. What do those who own deer dogs think

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    I would be up for that, I enjoy tracking deer with my dog more than shooting them.

    Best rgds

    Tahr

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    There is well defined case for an organised approach to finding wounded deer.
    This could include training, sharing best practice, certification registration etc as you suggest.

    John Jeanneney of New York state USA did much the same thing and formed www.deersearch.org which became officially recognised by their Fish and Game Department, with all agencies using them for call out.

    Looking at the number of posts from those with Deer Dogs the talent is out there, its getting that talent recognised by those that need it that would be the challlenge. First level would be those who have lost a shot Deer, onward though you would have to think about BDS, DEFRA and Emergency services recognition. I would imagine the Police and Fire Services probably deal with more wounded deer in RTA's that most stalkers do in a lifetime.

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    Here in Sweden most hunting dog breed clubs have there own tracking advice, tests ect. When you hunt anything here you must have a dog or access to a dog trained in tracking the game you are hunting. Its law. The tracking training follows basically the same format no matter what breed you use. Tracking (eftersök) is encouraged by the main hunting organisations and many courses are run from simple 1 day course for beginners to 6 day wild boar courses. There is a net work set up for the police to call out a eftersök team. You get paid if you are tracking Moose ,bear, Red but not for roe or fallow,boar. This is under review and hopefully payment for all RTA tracking.
    Before involving the BDS, BASC, DEFFRA try Stones dog day. Mark H who will be there is a very Knowledgable person about dogs for deer. And its free and a good day out.
    From my years in England and helping with the last dogs for deer day it strikes me that there are very few people with a properly trained tracking dogs In England.
    Stones dog for deer day is a step in the right direction.

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    Davie
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    I would be will to offer my dogs services and my time like THAR i love working my dog and watching dogs work.
    His terms of agreement are if still fit to eat he wants the liver heart and kidneys.


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    great suggestion

    this is a great idea.

    I have been involved in writing policies and training packages for rta response, i would be delighted to help out in this.

    The problem is coverage. You soon get fed up of turning out and driving 50miles three times a month!

    The way to start is with an area that you know you have coverage and put strictly defined boundaries on your attendance. You will need to show competence and professionalism probably by only allowing people who have undertaken some training to do the job. Then get the word out there.

    This service might end up as voluntary payment would be hard to source and quantify. ie 30 p per mile mileage. plus £20 per hour rate..... one massive bill which would prevent you being used. Mileage is not offered for the police to humane dispatch so it would be very tough to get it out of stalkers.

    I would be delighted to help get this off the ground. We would need a designated coordinator. I can't do that. I have too much already on my plate.

    swampy

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    Top idea! Would definitely be up for it, availability of self and suitability of trained dog permitting. Hoping to get to the 2nd Deer Dog Day and use that as launching pad for my lab and/or cocker on deer.

    Before anyone says it, yes, I do realise you could interpret "launching pad" in any number of ways

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    Re: UK Deer Dog Group

    Quote Originally Posted by 308rws
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    The SD site is well supported with some 1200 members/users. Is there sufficient interest to trial a UK Deer Dog Group, similar to those in Scandanavia? SD members would have access to trained deer dog volunteers to follow up injured deer. Access could be through the website showing UK wide deer dog coverage by region including callout details/volunteer availability etc. Whilst currently such arrangements often exist at local DMG level, the UK has nothing as joined up as the Danish National Register. What do those who own deer dogs think
    at the moment i hav been trying to sort out such an event, seems to me that no one wants to know unless there is a profit to be made
    and how would you run it, or even judge it, that the results would even be reconised by an authorative body, pm to me may be a better and safer reply at this moment in time

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    Davie
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    i DONT WANT MONEY FOR THE JOB . It is nice to get out with the dog and find a few deer with regards tests etc. I am not interested in the slightest most of the european techniques for my purpose are ****. All i need is a dog to walk at heal with no fuss and to wind scent a deer and if i happen to shoot it back a bit then he will go and find it. Stile and barking leather straps blood trailing harnesses you can keep them for the Germans

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    6.5x 55 I'me sure your dog suits your stalking style. But were talking about a different type of tracking. It takes a trained dog to find a deer with a leg shot off or one hit by a car. You may scoff at the European style training dogs for deer but they have been doing it for a long time and finding wounded game is a duty in Europe that is sadly lacking in the UK.
    There are those on this site who are trying to encourage the training of dogs for deer without payment by organizing these training days.

    We might get more reports of succsesfull tracking if we had more trained dogs instead of pictures of dogs sat by dead deer that the stalker could have found by himself.

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