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    410 for a junior

    Will be looking for a 410 for my nephew in the near future any ideas hes only 11 so dont want to go mad money wise thankyou in advance atb paul.

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    Paul,

    I have a single barrel Webley and Scot bolt action .410.

    Its ok for a junior, but requires close supervision. The bolt requires a bit of strength to work and the safety mechanism involves pulling the bolt and rotating it.

    I used to belong to a pheasant syndicate and the son of one of the guns shot his first birds with a W&S .410 with a cut down stock. He took some decent birds with it, but quickly progressed to an over and under 28 bore.

    I am minded to suggest that a folding single barrel .410 might be a better bet as first gun. The loading procedure and safety catch is conventional and easier for a youngster to operate safely than on a bolt action. I personally think single barrel is the way to go for a first gun. They are much cheaper than a double barrel and kids quickly progress. I bought an Italian one from Brit Hunter on here. It was very good value.

    If you put a wanted ad in the classifieds on here you might be lucky. Someone might have one that they no longer need.

    Best of luck and hats off to you for encouraging your nephew - he and his contemporaries are the future of our sport.

    Cheers,

    Bob
    Last edited by Dovebob; 26-09-2011 at 17:55.

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    My son has started with a W+S bolt action 410 from the age of 7. Basically as soon as he was strong enough he would have a few shots at clays, cowpats etc...anything fun to shoot at. He is quite big for his age (now 9) and can manage about 25 shots with a 20 bore semi.

    Personally for an 11 year old I think a 20 bore may be a better option providing he is fairly robust. It will certainly grow with him a bit better than a 410. A 28 bore would be another good choice but they are hard to find and expensive to feed. I found a Hatsan escort 20 bore on guntrader for 225. It has a 24 in barrel, multichokes and a shorter stock and shoots very well. With very light loads it will occasionally not feed properly but to be honest we normally single load at the moment anyway so it not a problem. With 24 g loads it seems fine.

    Its just like this one off guntrader http://www.guntrader.co.uk/GunsForSale/110904132355696

    Might be worth popping to your local clay ground with him to try a few before you buy

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    when i started my lad off he was 14 ,he had no problem with a 12b just kept the loads light 21gram,saying that he was/still is a rugby player not one of those poncy footballers get him a 20b cheaper to run than a 410,bought a nice light o/u yilditz 20b a few years back for my other son who was a bit smaller,he used the 12b i use the 20b

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    the new huglu 410 from edgar brothers ! met the rep in bushwear the other day with a demo model . very smart little gun i ordered one there and then ! they are in the proof house as we speak and should be availble in a couple of weeks

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    I'll be getting in a lovely little 410 LC smith sbs from my uncle for my daughter 12. She didn't like the 12ga.
    Don't think she'll have problems with it.

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    410 is not the best gun to start a youngster with you actually need to be a very good shot to be successful with a 410
    even many experienced game shots can't hit much with a 410, 28b is a much better bet for a youngster starting as it behaves like a normal shotgun, or better still 20b if the youngster can physically handle it.

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    surely that is the point!
    I started shooting 410 single barrel hammer gun with my father at around age 9-10
    Three of us used to walk up a rough shoot. I also used to shoot clays with it. you try hitting a crossing pheasant with a 3" 410 full of number 6 or 7 instead of an ounce of number 9! that will focus your attention!

    I shot my first pheasant with that gun at about 20yds.
    I moved up to a 20bore at around 14 and stuck with that until I was about 30 when my sister stole it!!
    I am 6'4" and didn't stick with it because 12bore was too much gun. I just didnt see the point when the 20 bore did everything it was meant to.

    Short of 45yd high Dorset pheasants there are no shots you can hit with a 12 bore that you can't hit with a 20 bore.


    Start on a 410 and your son will become a better shot BECAUSE it is harder to hit with a smaller pattern. he will learn to swing through and mount better with a lighter and smaller gun. He is also less likely to pick up a flinch as he progresses. muscle memory will overtake thought process or concern of recoil or chin slap on poor mount technique.

    Progress to a larger bore when the targets become more challenging. Pairs, faster clays, longer birds.
    He will maybe miss more than he would with a 20/28 bore, but that is part of learning and he will become a better shot as a result.

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    I'm with Bogtrotter on this, I think.

    Use a .410 only if that's the largest gun he can comfortably handle. If he can handle a 28 or 20, then using that, with lighter loads at the beginning if neccessary, will probably be a longer-term and more satisfactory solution.

    I think the main thing to bear in mind with a .410 (even more than with the other sub-12bores) is the limited range even when tightly choked.

    The apparent advantage of less shot needing more choke causing greater accuracy of shooting seems to me less persuasive than the disadvantages - namely frustration with the limited range and the difficulty in hitting anything at all; as well as the temptation to try to hit things at too long a range and therefore the increased risk of wounding.

    Good to see a range of opinions, though!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bewsher500 View Post
    surely that is the point!
    I started shooting 410 single barrel hammer gun with my father at around age 9-10
    Three of us used to walk up a rough shoot. I also used to shoot clays with it. you try hitting a crossing pheasant with a 3" 410 full of number 6 or 7 instead of an ounce of number 9! that will focus your attention!

    I shot my first pheasant with that gun at about 20yds.
    I moved up to a 20bore at around 14 and stuck with that until I was about 30 when my sister stole it!!
    I am 6'4" and didn't stick with it because 12bore was too much gun. I just didnt see the point when the 20 bore did everything it was meant to.

    Short of 45yd high Dorset pheasants there are no shots you can hit with a 12 bore that you can't hit with a 20 bore.


    Start on a 410 and your son will become a better shot BECAUSE it is harder to hit with a smaller pattern. he will learn to swing through and mount better with a lighter and smaller gun. He is also less likely to pick up a flinch as he progresses. muscle memory will overtake thought process or concern of recoil or chin slap on poor mount technique.

    Progress to a larger bore when the targets become more challenging. Pairs, faster clays, longer birds.
    He will maybe miss more than he would with a 20/28 bore, but that is part of learning and he will become a better shot as a result.
    Or he will become frustrated because he can't hit anything, and give up.

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