Not legal to shoot deer without dsc 1 after April 2014 ?

Double four

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Just read on another forum that the bds said its highly likley with new legislation that you will not be able to shoot deer legally from april 2014 without dsc 1 .
Has any one else heard of this ?
 
No mention of scotland sika stalker,he just says he heard it while attending a bds dsc 1 course that it seems likely the way legislation is going after april 2014 you will not be classed as competant and will not legally be allowed to shoot deer.DF
 
It's definitely the kind of rumour I'd be starting if I were a provider of DSC 1 courses!;)
A lot more estates and landowners are now insistant upon it to cover their arses for insurance and risk assessment purposes.
You can kick and scream as much as you like, but it's definitely the direction it is heading I believe.
It might not be a bad thing either!:stir:
MS:norty:
 
If you were abroad in Germany I am informed by a german client on an estate I was stalking that you have to take exams similar to dsc1 before you hunt anything so if we adopt European ways (which we do) it will probably be right that DSC 1 is a minimum. Glad i already got it. After doing the course IMO it's a good thing. I know a lot of deer stalkers? Using the term very loosely, some of them can't even recognise the spieces and call them by the correct name.
 
It all seems a bit improbable to me.

For instance, How would overseas clients comply?

and... Why only deer?

If such competence is required it should surely be required for ALL species of quarry, including vermin.

Of course, with politicians in charge anything might happen. I mean, a generation ago, who would have ever have thought we could get saddled with the nonsense that is the land reform scotland act?

On the other hand, if some education and certification was to be made mandatory prior to issuing a simple, straightforward, open, FAC for up to say 5 guns, of any suitable calibre for any quarry available combined with a sensibly generous ammo allowance, like some of our Continental neighbours do it. Then, maybe that would be a really good thing from lots of different perspectives.
 
It all seems a bit improbable to me.

For instance, How would overseas clients comply?

The answer to that is simple!;)
We don't need overseas people to shoot our deer! There are enough stalkers in our own country to do it surely? The only reason overseas clients exist is because they are willing to pay more than us. If they could no longer shoot, there would be more stalking for us 'indigenous' clients! Now there's a thought eh?:cool:
MS
 
It all seems a bit improbable to me.

For instance, How would overseas clients comply?

and... Why only deer?

If such competence is required it should surely be required for ALL species of quarry, including vermin.

Of course, with politicians in charge anything might happen. I mean, a generation ago, who would have ever have thought we could get saddled with the nonsense that is the land reform scotland act?

On the other hand, if some education and certification was to be made mandatory prior to issuing a simple, straightforward, open, FAC for up to say 5 guns, of any suitable calibre for any quarry available combined with a sensibly generous ammo allowance, like some of our Continental neighbours do it. Then, maybe that would be a really good thing from lots of different perspectives.

Re overseas clients complying to UK DSC1
They nearly all have a qualification as I am aware of the Sweden, Denmark, Germany, Austria rules so it just needs to be recognised by the UK authorities.
Regards
Martin
 
Re overseas clients complying to UK DSC1
They nearly all have a qualification as I am aware of the Sweden, Denmark, Germany, Austria rules so it just needs to be recognised by the UK authorities.
Regards
Martin
I'm sure that is the way it will go Martin, much like a European driving license.
I can picture it now........
The United States of Europe deer stalking certificate.:p
MS
 
Re overseas clients complying to UK DSC1
They nearly all have a qualification as I am aware of the Sweden, Denmark, Germany, Austria rules so it just needs to be recognised by the UK authorities.
Regards
Martin

That's fair comment regarding our "enlightened" European neighbours but does not accomodate the important paying visitors from the USA etc.

Actually, I'm particularly in favour of Trained Hunter status and the establishment of "not-for-profit" local hunter clubs/memberships as the basis of a system of dissemination of education, training and local information on hunting opportunities, leading onto a nationally/internationally recognised standard "Hunter" qualification administered by a separate "official" testing agency. But maybe that's just the slightly socialist and/or pro-European side of my personality showing through. ;)
 
Actually, I'm particularly in favour of Trained Hunter status and the establishment of "not-for-profit" local hunter clubs/memberships as the basis of a system of dissemination of education, training and local information on hunting opportunities, leading onto a nationally/internationally recognised standard "Hunter" qualification administered by a separate "official" testing agency. But maybe that's just the slightly socialist and/or pro-European side of my personality showing through. ;)

Is that not what the DSC system is mostly about?:confused:
MS
 
Is that not what the DSC system is mostly about?:confused:
MS

As far as I'm aware (and I accept that I am a bear of little brain so could be totally mistaken)

DSC is only about deer.

DSC training is mostly about pay and go.... ie.

DSC training is not run as a club or other "not for profit" organisation.

DSC is not internationally recognised.

And... DSC testing, although set by DMQ, is not actually supervised independantly from the (for profit) training, which I'm sorry to say, fails to satisfy my cynical mind, in terms of purity, flawlessness and value.

So, whatever DSC is mostly about it isn't really what I would wish.

Pigeons, cat, have at it... :D
 
Under the Wildlife and Natural Environment Bill 2011 section 17a specifies that the Governement can bring in a register of people competent to shoot deer. In addition SNH by 1st April 2014 must conduct a review of the competency of the people who shoot deer and this will be used to decide whether the register will be brought into being. See extracts from the Bill below:-

(1) The Scottish Ministers may by regulations—.
(a) make provision for the establishment and operation of a register of persons competent to shoot deer in Scotland;.
(b) prohibit any person from shooting deer unless the person is—.
(i) registered; or.
(ii) supervisedby a registered person;.
(c) provide that being a registered person is sufficient to meet the requirements as to fitness and competence under sections 26(2)(d) and 37(1);.
(d) require registered persons or owners or occupiers of land to submit cull returns toSNH.


Review of competence etc. by SNH.
(1) SNH mustcarry out a review of the following matters if the power in section 17A(1) is not exercised by 1st April 2014—.
(a) levels of competence among persons who shoot deer in Scotland;.
(b) the effect of such levels of competence on deer welfare.

Regards

Mulac
 
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Hmmm...Tilhill have already declared their intention to lease land only to holders of at least DSC1. They require certificate as proof, also of course Ins. & FAC. I suspect FE and other landowners are imposing the restriction.......which of course when this DMQ first started - they all said they wouldn't impose!
BS then & now. Not that I have a problem with the course/certification...fine for those who want to learn, however, the police if not already on this bandwaggon, certainly will be very soon. :old:
 
The answer to that is simple!;)
We don't need overseas people to shoot our deer! There are enough stalkers in our own country to do it surely? The only reason overseas clients exist is because they are willing to pay more than us. If they could no longer shoot, there would be more stalking for us 'indigenous' clients! Now there's a thought eh?:cool:
MS

Sorry MS missed your (I assume) tongue in cheek.... cheek.

Take out the top end paying guests and you make many sporting estates in Scotland poorer than they already are. Not a viable option, unless you want deer to become exclusively controlled by SNH employed mercenaries/hitmen... Oddly, there seem to be many (ignorant souls) who think that would be a preferable situation to the sporting estate and paying guests. The unwitting "clearance of the Glens" would surely be another step closer if that attitude won the day.

On a side note, the rural property bonanza seems to have abated somewhat even around here (within easy commuting range of Embra an Glesgae). It seems "they've" finally discovered that over-inflated house prices, fuel costs, isolation and the price of horse-feed make the rural idyll not so ideal after all. So, I really can't see the potentially empty (if your thinking prevailed) keeper's and stalker's houses getting filled by good-lifers just as quickly as they did in the days before the bubble burst.
 
WE,and i mean the hole industry need the {overseas clients} we have lots of guests from abroad and with out them we would have a lot of weeks blank..
 
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