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    Stalkers First Aid Training

    I am an HSE Approved First Aid Trainer and Assessor/ and DMQ Approved Witness,have been planning a First Aid for Deer Stalkers Training Course,fully certificated and valid for 3 years, the Course will equate with The Emergency First Aid Course modified for the Deer Stalker,there is a thread on the site regarding this subject and First Aid Kits and very interesting to.... ,however a skills based training course such as I have proposed would crystallise the use of such a kit and may save your or someone else,s life in the future,I guess that the next question is cost,I would imagine it to be within the 40 region ,but the venues and travelling costs would have to be considered to make it viable. So feedback please guys,also do you think that this type of training should be part of the DMQ,just a thought......I anticipate the Course can be completed in 1 day.

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    There is definetly a requirement for this kind of training. I have done a lot of different first aid courses with the Army, HM Coastguard and work, only the Army ones are tailored to the students operational requirements.

    It would be important to arrange two levels of course, firstly the one day 'Appointed person' one and also the three day one. Both must be recognised by employers. There might be a role for a shorter, 'interest only' but I would have thought that anyone looking at this would go for the one day job.

    As long as the basics are covered, a good deal of time must be spent on injuries specific to the outdoors (not just stalking, don't limit yourself, make it cover forestry, agriculture etc).

    Key points that I find lacking in modern first aid training are below, I'm sure there are many more:

    - Heat/cold injuries.
    - Self treatment.
    - Lone working.
    - Anaphyactic shock, wasp stings are a common occurance and serious risk in game larders in the summer.
    - Stopping of major bleeding (over emphasis on cleanliness, If i'm bleeding to death please feel free to bung the hole with a dog blanket, the NHS can give me antibiotics later!)
    - Accurate and appropriate reporting of location and requirements. (use of air ambulance now commonplace in rural areas)
    - Courses are always conducted in a classroom! At least some of it must be done outside.
    - Courses never cover Incident Scene Management. You've rang for an ambulance, now send a reliable bystander to meet the ambulance at the gate etc. Make vehicles/firearms/tools etc safe and secure.
    - How many static first aid boxes in larders/workshops have got the postcode and grid reference written on them in big black pen? Mine have, its an obvious thing to do.

    This is exactly the type of course that could be offered in conjunction with BDS/BASC/St H Club/Royal Forestry Soc etc.

    Here at Holkham, we are just doing this years round of courses, I am booked on the three day one later this month but there are always new staff etc. Maybe we should have a chat?

    Glyn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Holkham Estate View Post
    - Stopping of major bleeding (over emphasis on cleanliness, If i'm bleeding to death please feel free to bung the hole with a dog blanket, the NHS can give me antibiotics later!)
    You make an excellent point there that seems to pass people by. There was a number of people carrying wound spray or disinfectants. In human medicine all they use to clean wounds are copious amounts of sterile saline. Antiseptics are contraindicated in almost all situations as they damage the heeling tissue and delay heeling. Disinfectants are for unbroken skin. If you have a water bottle you can use that to clean off the gross contamination but if the wound is sever just stop enough blood leaking out until they can get further treatment. They'd be better saving the space and adding an extra pressure bandage.

    The other myth seems to be that you need a specific kit for your dog - rubbish. The only think I would add if there was a chance of canine injury is a strong non stretchy bandage to improvise as a muzzle and some curved scissors. You can share the rest with the mut (medication often excluded).

    I don't think it should be mandatory as part of the DMQ (not as a separate course, anyway), but I suppose you could add a few MCQ's and a chapter in the level 1 book.

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    Thanks for your support for the concept guys...Notice a near miss under General regarding an eye injury....I am sure that there are many un-reported incidents!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ytene View Post
    I am an HSE Approved First Aid Trainer and Assessor/ and DMQ Approved Witness,have been planning a First Aid for Deer Stalkers Training Course,fully certificated and valid for 3 years, the Course will equate with The Emergency First Aid Course modified for the Deer Stalker,there is a thread on the site regarding this subject and First Aid Kits and very interesting to.... ,however a skills based training course such as I have proposed would crystallise the use of such a kit and may save your or someone else,s life in the future,I guess that the next question is cost,I would imagine it to be within the 40 region ,but the venues and travelling costs would have to be considered to make it viable. So feedback please guys,also do you think that this type of training should be part of the DMQ,just a thought......I anticipate the Course can be completed in 1 day.
    I would definately be interested could you pass me a number by PM if you prefer so we could discuss a little more.
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    what about a course run for SD members?

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    I'd definitely be interested in this, and as my job is outdoors, and involves a fair amount of shooting, I'm sure my immediate boss would be interested too. How many do you reckon you need to make a course viable if you had to travel just up the road to the Newbury/Reading area?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ytene View Post
    I am an HSE Approved First Aid Trainer and Assessor/ and DMQ Approved Witness,have been planning a First Aid for Deer Stalkers Training Course,fully certificated and valid for 3 years, the Course will equate with The Emergency First Aid Course modified for the Deer Stalker,there is a thread on the site regarding this subject and First Aid Kits and very interesting to.... ,however a skills based training course such as I have proposed would crystallise the use of such a kit and may save your or someone else,s life in the future,I guess that the next question is cost,I would imagine it to be within the 40 region ,but the venues and travelling costs would have to be considered to make it viable. So feedback please guys,also do you think that this type of training should be part of the DMQ,just a thought......I anticipate the Course can be completed in 1 day.
    Yes, this is definitively worthwhile. Please put me on your list when you decide to arrange one.

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    I deliver emergency care and HSE first aid courses to emergency services and specialised courses for sporting coaches.
    40 is a keen price for a days training and a must for shooters, a simple mistake can result in more than a sprain!
    Dont overlook driven shoots and beaters as clients or duck shooters as effects of cold and water take their toll every year.
    Good luck with the training
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