Merging of regiments

The Household Division lost 3 battalions (or more accurately 2 as 3 Coys remain) over 15 years ago. The Scottish division since then has lost the same. Recruiting in Scotland is going well. Last year 124% of target achieved, this year 6 months in we are at 89%. Scotland has long recruited 12% of the Armed Forces from 9% of the population.......

I have no axe to grind with the Blue Red Blue boys but they escaped last time by the skin of their teeth and this time i cannot see them retaining 5 Bns from 37 down into 5 of 25

I'll agree with that personally I'd have a household battalion just to cover the household duties a company strength drawn from all the battalions to cover the tick, tock crap doing away with the increment companies held at this moment in time.
 
Not sure they could amalgamate the household division, they would spend all their time knocking lumps out of each other.


The Household Division lost 3 battalions (or more accurately 2 as 3 Coys remain) over 15 years ago. The Scottish division since then has lost the same. Recruiting in Scotland is going well. Last year 124% of target achieved, this year 6 months in we are at 89%. Scotland has long recruited 12% of the Armed Forces from 9% of the population.......

I have no axe to grind with the Blue Red Blue boys but they escaped last time by the skin of their teeth and this time i cannot see them retaining 5 Bns from 37 down into 5 of 25
 
as an ex serving 1st bn scots guards i do find it hard to see how some of the oldest regt will last due to the cuts going to come the armys way at this rate we wont have the capabilities to cope with anything serious soon out of interest how many ex scots guards do we have on here
 
By the time the proposed next round of cuts are complete our standing, regular army will be at a strength of a little over 85,000. Our current prison population is 87,000.
What's wrong with that picture?
 
Widows son, you have caught a bit of slipstream. Good for you!! However parachuting aside, which is an other debate entirely, you have not answered how the three regular battalions are underworked. Seems a sweeping statement that you made?

Mick
 
Not Scots Guards, but Welsh Guards, so I guess we have the joys of Caterham / Pirbright in common :)

as an ex serving 1st bn scots guards i do find it hard to see how some of the oldest regt will last due to the cuts going to come the armys way at this rate we wont have the capabilities to cope with anything serious soon out of interest how many ex scots guards do we have on here
 
The Parachute regiment is the only one so far that hasn't been effected still has 3 battalions why I'd love to know they are under worked but still miss all the cuts.

In my experience the Parachute Regiment has been greatly effected, being taken out of their home town of Aldershot, had the Pegasus taken off them and changed from 5 Airborne brigade to 16 Air assault brigade.

Marc I got my first set of wings in 1979 that was after, starting parachuting two years before, at Scottish parachute club in 1977 free fall, ****ing contest, sold my last chute two years ago after many happy years and one or two jumps.
So was you just into a bit of freefall or was you actually a Military parachutist ?? Because unless you've passed P Company then done your jumps course you aint got your wings mate.

widows son said:
The Parachute regiment now then how often did you get on a stick not very often,

Actually jumped most months.

widows son said:
the TA were getting more jumps in than the regulars .

Thats probably the biggest load of ******** ive ever heard.

My guess is that you were probably a crap hat that always wanted to be airborne but never had it in you to do it.
 
In my experience the Parachute Regiment has been greatly effected, being taken out of their home town of Aldershot, had the Pegasus taken off them and changed from 5 Airborne brigade to 16 Air assault brigade.

Marc I got my first set of wings in 1979 that was after, starting parachuting two years before, at Scottish parachute club in 1977 free fall, ****ing contest, sold my last chute two years ago after many happy years and one or two jumps.
So was you just into a bit of freefall or was you actually a Military parachutist ?? Because unless you've passed P Company then done your jumps course you aint got your wings mate.

widows son said:
The Parachute regiment now then how often did you get on a stick not very often,

Actually jumped most months.

widows son said:
the TA were getting more jumps in than the regulars .

Thats probably the biggest load of ******** ive ever heard.

My guess is that you were probably a crap hat that always wanted to be airborne but never had it in you to do it.


Airborne: IN Coming ,Pm
 
By the time the proposed next round of cuts are complete our standing, regular army will be at a strength of a little over 85,000. Our current prison population is 87,000.
What's wrong with that picture?


Harry - Not 85k, the plan is 82k! Not sure what the drugs that were being smoked were but it is a mix of Gen Lamb (SAS specialist), Julian Brazier (was TA SAS 15 - 20 years ago) and a few other looney tunes. Because having the TA ready to deploy (with little training) is the answer..... Currently 10% of the deployed force is TA doing the jobs in the stores and useful stuff. Having 50% of the fighting force as TA is a heady thought!

Standing by for the incoming from the TA but would you rather have a guy next to you in a fire fight who does 40 days a year training or a full time soldier...?
 
at the end of the day guys we all served our country no matter what regiment we were in,and if in the future a regiment or battalion gets dispanded then it shall live for ever more in the hearts of the the guys that shed blood for it.

The fond memories of "D lines" and the sand hill,7 sisters,rat race on saturday mornings and the RSM screaming at you from his window in the kremlin as it was raining.These are the storys we share and keep the regiment alive the friendships that is forged in blood,sweat and tears.

to one and all i salute you :tiphat:
 
total disgrace,pure and simple.as usual we wipe out years of tradition in a money saving excersise,but strange how we can still increase overseas aid:cuckoo: :banghead:
 
total disgrace,pure and simple.as usual we wipe out years of tradition in a money saving excersise,but strange how we can still increase overseas aid:cuckoo: :banghead:

**** but don't get me started...800 million to Pakistan and India. How the **** does that work? Both can afford nucleur weapons programs and one even has a space program! We're soft in the head.
 
I'm again reminded of the saying, "If it aint bust don't fix it". In this case it's more like take a good thing and melt it down into a mass on non-identity - lost pride of regiment and morale. History repeats itself over and over again once the politicians take control and cut our defences to shreds in order to divert taxes to pet schemes.
It does seem strange to me though, that the requirements for our armed forces seem to be increasing on a global basis and those same politicians want our men out there despite the cuts they are making.

If money was spent on a return to National Service it would take the trouble off the streets when teenagers tend to be at their most troublesome. Train them to defend their country - teach respect of arms then set them to doing other useful tasks for the nation. It doesn't all have to be mindless square-bashing.
Then, when the time is up they can move back to resume their education or finish trades if they took on an apprenticeship. So they are paid a weekly wage - it comes down to that or paying out dole money in many cases. I know which I'd rather see. AND, if so many people wish to enjoy our Isles and claim British citizenship - then they too can heft a rifle about whilst wearing a battledress tunic.

Now - after my long absence, I'll take cover and await 'Incoming'.
 
I really do not think that National Service would work now. It was last used when the population of young men that were called up were far more compliant to the norms of the society they lived in, a significant proportion of todays youth would simply make the job impossible for the depots and instructors I should imagine that regular forces would not welcome soldering alongside some of them.
 
No incoming here ecoman,jist about spot on
My grandfather was in the Scots Guards too,N.Africa then up through Italy with 2nd Battalion,was there in Africa when Lyall won his VC and he often said bring back national service,it would solve a few of the countries problems
 
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