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Thread: Fox Control n Vermin

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    Davie
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    Fox Control n Vermin

    I think that now we have a test for deer management and safe rifle use .It might be time to do something similar for foxes and other vermin after all most of this is now done after dark and that has some other dangers that would need taught. WHAT DO YOU ALL THINK i know a lot of deerstalkers also get rid of vermin in there areas.

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    To be honest as someone who shoots deer and vermin, lamping after dark is often far more risky than stalking will ever be. IF you are not carefull, it is easy to misjudge the angles and range of the quarry. I think that the use of vermin rounds should be law. I am lucky as I have a 55 grain fragmenting round for the .243 that has the same POI as my 100 grain deer round.
    That said, I would be interested to know how many people get shot accidently by rifles from stalkers and vermin controllers.
    There are already too many tests as it is. All we should have is a course on rifle safety when you first get your fac and then you should be allowed to get on with it! If you cant deer stalk, you won't shoot any but you also will not shoot anyone else!!

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    As has been said, there are too many tests as it is.

    Most people whom shoot vermin on there ground on a regular basis know it like the back of their hand, so know where the back stops are and have generally done a risk assessment on it anyway.

    If when i have got new ground for vermin control i have always walked the land well in advance on a few occasions to get familiar with the place, knowing where the backstops are, where any livestock is liable to be, footpaths and buildings etc.
    Like you touched on, most deerstalkers do the vermin control there also, so know the ground well.

    wadas

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    Quote Originally Posted by wadashot
    As has been said, there are too many tests as it is.

    Most people whom shoot vermin on there ground on a regular basis know it like the back of their hand, so know where the back stops are and have generally done a risk assessment on it anyway.

    If when i have got new ground for vermin control i have always walked the land well in advance on a few occasions to get familiar with the place, knowing where the backstops are, where any livestock is liable to be, footpaths and buildings etc.
    Like you touched on, most deerstalkers do the vermin control there also, so know the ground well.

    wadas
    Totally agree, myself and a mate do a lot of vermin control. A long apprenticeship over about 15 years as a lamp man and chief gate opener on the ground we have. The guy we used to go with, has been on nights for the last 4 years so we do it now.
    As you said know your land AND correct quarry identification. Eyes at night can be decieving.

    Jonathon

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    Davie
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    Interesting reply and different to what the Deerstalkers answer we (deerstalkers)embrace tests and alot including my self sat (DM) test,s before they were made mandatory . So we now have it as i thought it is more dangerous to lamp than it is to stalk.
    While i agree it is important to look round your ground before you lamp the area checking for any areas that would be a risk. But is this really done all the time by every one i think not in fact i know not .If a new farmer gave me a call and i have to get rid of a few foxes at lambing i would be up there and they would be away before you could say bob,s your uncle .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy L
    That said, I would be interested to know how many people get shot accidently by rifles from stalkers and vermin controllers.
    I certainly dont remember much on the news or being in papers, so I would say next to nil.
    The only one I remember in recent times was the stalker shot up the a*se by a client who had a round chambered with the rifle pointing forward whilst behind the stalker.....basics..

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    Night shooting!

    It's a good point really as I believe one of the main reasons deer night shooting permits are not granted is because of safety aspects and yet it seems that anyone can go out with a large rifle at night and shoot foxes and other vermin. I'm not sure if another test is required but the FEO should probably clarify between day and night shooting for specific areas of land and probably peolple too! Maybe a probationable period of day-only or until you get an open ticket??

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    Well that is certainly a possibility but, if you are going to have FEO's specify day or night shooting for specific areas of land, probationary periods etc, then should not FEO's have gained the necessary qualification(s) first, before they start making arbitrary decisions about such things.

    John

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    Quote Originally Posted by JAYB
    Well that is certainly a possibility but, if you are going to have FEO's specify day or night shooting for specific areas of land, probationary periods etc, then should not FEO's have gained the necessary qualification(s) first, before they start making arbitrary decisions about such things.

    John
    You're probably right, bearing in mind many FEO's are ex firearms division police officers who have probably never shot a living thing before and know precious little about hunting or the effects of expanding ammunition!! If any had done a DSC 1 (as I'm sure some have) they would know that it teaches very little about shooting safety. Yes you can pass a shooting test but no practical "real" situations. Handing out a certificate to someone who has done a course in a classroom over a few days does not in my mind mean they are safe to handle a high powered rifle- possibly at night! I much prefer the idea of a period of mentoring for the safety side of things. But then we are off down the "level 2 before you can go out alone" route which is a whole new can of worms which I personally don't wish to open!

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    Re: Night shooting!

    Quote Originally Posted by Monkey Spanker
    It's a good point really as I believe one of the main reasons deer night shooting permits are not granted is because of safety aspects and yet it seems that anyone can go out with a large rifle at night and shoot foxes and other vermin. I'm not sure if another test is required but the FEO should probably clarify between day and night shooting for specific areas of land and probably peolple too! Maybe a probationable period of day-only or until you get an open ticket??
    I thought the reasons behind not being allowed to shoot deer at night were more to do with deer welfare and not stressing the snimals than the safety of shooting at night.

    Gez

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