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    Two cabinets required?

    My other half tried clay shooting a little while back at Bisley Live with the BASC coaches and loved it, so she is saving up for a 20 bore Browning Cynergy. She will be applying for her SGC once she has the money and therefore will be using the same cabinet for her application as I used for mine and I intend to use for my FAC some time next year.

    A sudden thought occurred to me, as and when I get my FAC for a rifle, we will be using the same cabinet - however she only has an SGC and would not be allowed to have access to the cabinet as it contained a firearm she was not legally allowed access to, but it also holds the shotgun she is licensed for.

    Would having the rifle bolt secured in a separate, locked safe be enough or would we have to purchase a second cabinet - one for the rifle and another for our two shotguns?

    I'd be interested to hear from anyone who has had the same or similar problem as to how their FEO or COoP dealt with this.

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    Depends on your FEO really. Some will allow a separate method of securing the weapon inside the cabinet, a good padlock and steel rope through the trigger guard is sometimes considered sufficient.

    You could always go for separate cabinets, that way you will have more space for guns before the plod consider your cabinet full!

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    I have no wisdom to offer here but would be very interested to hear the views of others. I know many people with children/wives that shoot that keep all the weapons in one cabinet but having said that they are mostly shotguns and not firearms which might make a difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paul k View Post
    they are mostly shotguns and not firearms which might make a difference.
    Paul, it makes a very big difference - firearms have much tighter controls and you are in breach of the law if anyone but the FAC holder even knows where the keys are kept for a cabinet with a firearm in it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matt_hooks View Post
    You could always go for separate cabinets, that way you will have more space for guns before the plod consider your cabinet full!
    I like your thinking

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    Quote Originally Posted by adjman View Post
    A sudden thought occurred to me, as and when I get my FAC for a rifle, we will be using the same cabinet.
    You will very likely have to change that idea. As far as access to your S1 Firearm(s) goes she would be classified as an “unauthorised person”, meaning any person who does not have a certificate allowing them to possess the guns of the holder.

    Have a gander at the HO Firearms Security Handbook and you'll see where the FLD will be coming from.

    http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/publica...ok?view=Binary

    Note that although it states, "This advice must always be tempered with common sense and a view to the distinctive conditions that surround the application", I suspect that it refers in the main to physical location etc. You'll be up against it to get them to change their minds and allow access in any way to your S1 Firearm. Bite the bullet and get two cabinets - you'll no doubt fill the space.

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    The easy way round this if it is acceptable to you both is for you to hold the keys and give her her shotgun when she asks.
    Victory goes to the player who makes the next-to-last mistake..

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    Quote Originally Posted by adjman View Post
    Paul, it makes a very big difference - firearms have much tighter controls and you are in breach of the law if anyone but the FAC holder even knows where the keys are kept for a cabinet with a firearm in it.
    Absolutely correct, best get two cabinets or better still share all the guns if possible

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    There should be no great issue here if you can comply and get the FEO to agree to the following procedure. You hold the guns (shotguns along with your rifles) in YOUR cabinet and you and you alone have access. This means that your partner will be reliant on you to retrieve and deposit her shotgun(s) for her with no access by her to your keys.

    For the first year of my SGC my wife was not comfortable in having a gun in the house, so my M8 agreed to hold it in his cabinet. Strathclyde Police agreed to this as long as he and he alone entered the cabinet. I have since chnaged this procedure having an FAC and SGC.

    If the above cannot be agreed then separate cabinets will be required.

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    That's what I thought folks and thanks for your advice. We don't currently have room for two cabinets so I guess she is just going to have to ask me nicely when she wants to go shooting It's not that much of a big deal and I know she won't mind as I will most likely be going shooting with her anyway. The only issue would be if I was away for a few days I guess. Mind you I am most likely to be away stalking and we know a couple of other people who could "borrow" her shotgun for the 72 hour limit and keep it in their cabinet for her.

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