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    Deer Dog Trainer Wanted

    Hi Guys

    I'm looking for a Deer Dog and have been offered a Cocker Spaniel recently by a good friend. He says its not going to make top a Trials Dog but might be what I'm looking for............

    Can anyone help? and tell me that a Cocker will do the Job and if so, recommend a Trainer.

    Cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by RS8000 View Post
    Hi Guys

    I'm looking for a Deer Dog and have been offered a Cocker Spaniel recently by a good friend. He says its not going to make top a Trials Dog but might be what I'm looking for............

    Can anyone help? and tell me that a Cocker will do the Job and if so, recommend a Trainer.

    Cheers
    In theory a good trainer can train a spaniel as a deer dog but in practice I wonder if it worth the effort.

    Do not know how serious you are about tracking but suggest you buy a proper tracking breed, go to a course and train it yourself. You can spend the money saved on the training on the purchase of the dog and will end up with a much better result and not out of pocket.

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    I think cockers are at the top of their league when it comes to flushing game, working in and out of thick cover and pound for pound for their size their retrieving on large birds including geese can be impressive.

    But a working cocker for deer? They are pretty energetic little critters that have bundles and bundles of energy and although I don't doubt their ablitiy to be trained for the task I recon it would be a hard and steep learning curve.

    I think you'd be better to consider a HPR or even as suggested a proper tracking breed. If you are after a general purpose bidible breed maybe even consider a lab, plenty of good labs working on deer kicking about.


    Cheers,

    Ali



    Disclaimer: before some one comes back with “don’t you think cockers can... my cocker has been……” I didn’t say they couldn’t be trained I just think different breed suit different tasks.

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    Barongcw and AliS are both correct
    A cocker is a brilliant roughshooting dog but not so hot for deer,not a lot of them will have the patience to stay still for extended periods,not a lot will have experience with deer
    Ideally look for dogs that parents have worked to deer,easier then to train for deer
    Labs,hprs or the specialist tracking hounds are what you should be looking at
    Terriers or teckels will do the job too if you want a challenge!
    Better to train the dog yourself as the bond between you and dog will be stronger as a result and you'll learn more too
    For a novice to deer dogs you won't go wrong with a lab,they are biddable and capable
    Try and source a pup from deer orientated parents if you can
    If you haven't time to train a dog ask yourself if you have time to even keep a dog at all
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    IMO A cocker wound not enter in to my head when thinking of a deer dog. If you have a wounded beast I would rather have a dog with a bit of size about it esp. when sika or red are part of the cull. Labs and HPR's would be my preference, in particular GWP's. I was at a meeting about dogs for deer with alot of full-time pro's and some part-time stalkers and almost every other word was GWP. However if you do a lot of rough shooting and just the ocassional stalk and just want the dog to follow up on the odd roe then it might be ok. If an out and out deer dog is what you want then HPR, lab or specialist tracking Hound would be your better option.

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    Wot an interesting thread
    A cocker with a great nose, full of enthusiasm and is suitably close to the floor so not to miss anything
    Is not worth bothering about
    Come on guys, hav none of you ever watched a cocker work
    It's how you harness a Dog's energy is what makes the dog what it is
    Choose the right lines to begin will make all the difference to how you train it to work
    Atb

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    Quote Originally Posted by stone View Post
    Wot an interesting thread
    A cocker with a great nose, full of enthusiasm and is suitably close to the floor so not to miss anything
    Is not worth bothering about
    Come on guys, hav none of you ever watched a cocker work
    It's how you harness a Dog's energy is what makes the dog what it is
    Choose the right lines to begin will make all the difference to how you train it to work
    Atb
    I agree with what is said by Stone. At the end of the day, any dog is better than none.

    I have a wee cocker in my kennels just now and her ability to find game is incredible. Whilst she may never get the chance, nor has ever been on a deer track, I would bet money that within reason she would find something for me tomorrow if it was leaving blood behind it.

    It is in the training and also harnessing that dogs enthusiasm for it's work.

    It may not be my first choice for a deer dog either, but that is not to say it could not do it...

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    I’ll be honest I would never contemplate a Cocker for deer.
    Questions you have to ask.
    What stalking do I do?

    1. What do I want the dog to do?
    2. What type of stalking are you doing (Woodland Open Hill)
    3. Would I need it to take me to a dead/wounded deer?
    4. Would it need to pull down a deer? (How many has this been in the past two years?)

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    Its like most things in life, you can make do and accept their may possibly come a time when you wish you had the right tool for the job or take the plunge and get the right tool in the first place.
    Cockers are brilliant dogs, full of character and endless enthusiasm and I'm sure they would track a deer to the carcass, what they'd do when presented with a wounded red/sika stag I dont know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by limulus View Post
    Its like most things in life, you can make do and accept their may possibly come a time when you wish you had the right tool for the job or take the plunge and get the right tool in the first place.
    Cockers are brilliant dogs, full of character and endless enthusiasm and I'm sure they would track a deer to the carcass, what they'd do when presented with a wounded red/sika stag I dont know.
    I'll tell you what mine would do, she would make a sika stag dizzy trying to spin round fast enough to keep up with her

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