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    They don't understand....

    How can I explain to people that I'm not a sadistic killer who gets off on shooting animals?.... and that I actually enjoy watching wildlife in it's natural environment?
    I've been getting some stick lately, mainly from work collegues but I don't rise to it for fear of escalating the debate.
    Yes it's true, I do enjoy hunting but I also enjoy walks in the countryside with my family and just because we see a deer and fawn or fox cubs playing doesn't mean I want to go and get my gun.

    "It's halfway down the hill, directly below that tree next to a rock that looks like a bell-end"

    Good deals with ~ deako ~ sakowsm ~ dryan ~ 2734neil ~ mo ~ riggers ~ mmbeatle ~ seanct ~ an du ru fox

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    Quote Originally Posted by Si View Post
    How can I explain to people that I'm not a sadistic killer who gets off on shooting animals?.... and that I actually enjoy watching wildlife in it's natural environment?
    I've been getting some stick lately, mainly from work collegues but I don't rise to it for fear of escalating the debate.
    Yes it's true, I do enjoy hunting but I also enjoy walks in the countryside with my family and just because we see a deer and fawn or fox cubs playing doesn't mean I want to go and get my gun.

    Take a more relaxed approach on this, after all it can be a little odd that someone does not wish to hunt, shoot or fish, let alone eat food derived from these activities. You owe no one any sort of explanation,this is a defensive attitude that the country sport community as a whole has adopted as a result of a sustained and vociferous attack by animal rights activists. If your circumstances permit invite them to accompany you on your activities, after all you are participating in a perfectly normal activity.

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    If people are too blinkered to acknowledge what you do in your spare time is legitimate and valid then they really are not worth the effort. The shooting community is one of the most welcoming and friendly communities I have ever had the pleasure of being part of, and we all understand. It is always hard to bring that understanding to others, particularly people who have the "disney" view of the countryside and don't understand how mother nature actually works. I have lost "friends" recently because I chose to return to shooting, but I can honestly say I have had a lot of support from many of my other friends. Very often life is about working out who is worth having around you, and whilst this can be more difficult in a work scenario, it holds true there as well.

    There is of course the sneaky back-door tactic of bringing nice food into work and waiting until everyone has tucked in and says how nice it is to inform them that without your sport they would never have tasted it?

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    You are asking for the impossible. I have never understood why guys would wish to follow/support a football team but accept that some are absolutely fanatical. There are people who will just never understand what makes guys like you and me have an inbuilt love and appreciation of our countryside and all that it holds yet can go out there and get enjoyment from pitting our skills against a bird or animal with the intent of killing it. Doesn't seem logical but we know that it is. They cannot see or feel what you see and feel, just like I cannot see why guys would spend money following their team, encourage their family to follow the team like they are Gods, travel to all parts of the world to watch them play, name their children after their favourite player, have tattoos displaying their lifelong support.
    I do not hide what I do and if asked, will try to explain, but I do appreciate that not everybody shares my views and to be honest always temper my conversation regarding my way of life depending on my audience. Not because I am hiding it but just out of respect for anothers who may not agree with what I do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gazza View Post
    I do not hide what I do and if asked, will try to explain, but I do appreciate that not everybody shares my views and to be honest always temper my conversation regarding my way of life depending on my audience. Not because I am hiding it but just out of respect for anothers who may not agree with what I do.
    Very well said Gazza

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    I don't go round bragging about what I've shot, but last week I showed someone at work a photo of a fox that I'd shot on my phone... this sparked a debate. He could understand shooting a rabbit if you intend to eat it but he said "killing a fox is pointless, you don't eat foxes" I tried to explain that foxes kill lambs and chickens and pheasant poults but he was adamant that shooting a fox for the reason I gave is interfering with nature.
    Since that conversation I have had a few digs and jibes about being cruel, sick, sadistic and even perverted, saying "does it give you a hard on?"
    This same bloke knows I keep chickens and regularly accepts free eggs off me.... not anymore PAL
    "It's halfway down the hill, directly below that tree next to a rock that looks like a bell-end"

    Good deals with ~ deako ~ sakowsm ~ dryan ~ 2734neil ~ mo ~ riggers ~ mmbeatle ~ seanct ~ an du ru fox

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    Last edited by rudy65; 07-12-2011 at 14:28.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rudy65 View Post
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    "It's halfway down the hill, directly below that tree next to a rock that looks like a bell-end"

    Good deals with ~ deako ~ sakowsm ~ dryan ~ 2734neil ~ mo ~ riggers ~ mmbeatle ~ seanct ~ an du ru fox

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    I suspect there are, in the general population, basically three types of people, and this would apply to any activity:

    Those who support what you do and might even do it themselves.

    Those who don't care about it too much but are interested to hear what you get up to in a general "what did you do at the weekend" way.

    Those who are fundamentally opposed to what you do.

    You are never going to convert the 3rd group as they already have a position and they will spend time trying to convert the 2nd group to their position while demonising the first group - a form of politically correct bullying. However, you can also talk to the 2nd group and at least make a reasonable case for your position. Perhaps someone with strongly held anti-shooting views is stirring up the people you work with? On the other hand maybe they are just doing it for a laugh because they know you feel strongly about it? I think, however, that if you put your mind to it you can probably make some progress as most people, no matter what their position, have some interest in something that goes bang and sends a little bullet hundreds of yards to a target so there is scope to take them to the range, for example, and allow them to see that it is fun and that there is no evil intent. You might be amazed at who takes you up on the offer to give it a try.

    In my workplace, or at least my department of about 40 people, (you have to trust me when I say that their isn't a more politically correct, communist infiltrated organisation with a higher proportion of do-gooders and interferring busy bodies in the UK) the number of people who shoot now make up a significant proportion of the total and shooting is probably the biggest single activity in the workplace. I've taken people out and others have as well and over time some of these people have taken up various aspects of shooting - we recently converted a new deer stalker who I took to the range and then took stalking and who has now done his DSC1. There are also a reasonable number of non-shooters who could be considered "interested" and who view shooting in a positive light and I occasionally give vension to various people I work with - it is tricky to view something as negative when you benefit from it. We occasionally have a few anti type comments but to be honest most are in jest rather than serious, just as I would keep football fans going about watching a bunch of big girls blouses rolling about on a pitch clutching their leg and crying for their mummy. The success or failure of the latest shooting trip is now a common theme for discussion in our canteen.

    So, even in your situation I'd say it is possible to make progress - pick them off one at a time and offer to take them to the range for a bit of a laugh some weekend for example.

  10. #10
    Si,

    I sympathised with you in your opening post, but not with the later one. You could expect no other response because you left your colleague no exit. He was forced to confront a reality he'd rather not face. It's too stark for most, even for those who aren't squeamish.

    I don't get a buzz out of pics. of dead fox or deer posted by others. Why do it? Stringing these together into a gallery seems more than a bit weird to me. Even worse is parading snaps of the slain before non-shooters, which has to be a big mistake because it's so pointless. This could have no other outcome other than make you look very odd. It's willie waggling.

    There was an earlier post today by a 'Josh' of a lot of dead boar under the title 'bored' which I thought was both stupid and crass. This is the sort of thing that alienates people, and does nothing to advance the cause of shooting. OK it's an achievement of sorts but it's not as if the OP had run these pigs down, and killed them with his bare hands.

    You just have to accept the world as it is, and get on with your sport. There's no need to conceal it, but don't stuff it down the throats of others.
    If I'm going to be accused of it then it's just as well I did it.

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