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  1. #1

    Bad knee

    Dear all,

    I am 34and a keen stalker, but I have a troublesome left knee (to put it mildy). I had ACL (anterior cruciate ligament) reconstruction in 1994 and since then have developed osteo-arthritis and have recently suffered a strained medial ligament. Has anybody had similar injuries, issues, problems - the reason I ask is that medical advice tends not to take into consideration stalking (or beating etc)........in my experience it is all based around more routine activities.

    I accept that the knee is not going to get better but any tips and advice is more than welcome, in particular the use of braces, supports for stalking.

    Many thanks in advance

    E
    "Lie flat on your back on the floor, now lift your left leg straight up without bending. If you can do that it's not an appendicitis!" (Mother-in-law)

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    hi i broke my leg in eight places i have also have had the same op on my right knee due to racing motorbikes i was told i wouldnt walk again i ended up using a machine to build up my muscles in my leg and more importanty to bend my leg using hydrolics to get full movement. i have been back a couple of years ago to have another op to clean out the knee and a trim on the cartlidge things are as good as they are going to get i used brace but found i relyed to much on it and when i wasnt wearing it would have my knee give way .i have over the years learnt to walk with my leg straight as any movement sideways would have me give out . i managed to climb a glasier last year and only on my second to last day i turned wrong and i ended up falling . in my experience alone i would recomend not using a brace as you will need it more and the more you use it the more you need it. this is in my own experience but you might be different .the things that have helped me know end is wear good trousers so you dont get wet and cold so you dont stiffen up and also knee pads or sit . i cannot spend much time on my knees when stalking or i cant walk so sit /stand i have found a good position to sit with bent knees with my elbows on top resting the rifle very comfy for me and very stable. and the only other thing is codliver oil other than that just be happy your on your feet,atb wayne.

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    Buggered my knee with soccer and a messed up backward jump while trick skiing did the rest... that was 26 years ago.
    Thankfully the reconstruction was done by one of the special team docs that gets flown in if someone important needs
    op. I was lucky to be in the right hospital in Germany. I have to watch my step in rough terrain and it always feels
    as if something would snap anytime it gets loaded. Hurts every step but is bearable. Went for a lovely tumble in the hills today...
    Cycling helps me keep movement, otherwise the movement angle gets smaller. Very seldom use a brace.
    edi

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    In 1996 I rupture my anterior cruciate ligament. I had key hole surgery to wash out the joint and trim the cartlidge but although I was offered reconstruction I gave it a miss as it is a length recovery time and no guarentee it would be a success. Keeping your thigh muscles in good nic helps to stablise the knee and I am not too bad as long as my knee is working in a straight line. If I get a sides ways knock it is painful and you can go for a tumble. Sometimes I can feel my knee go out of place and I have to push it back in. If I do get a knock I often use a brace for a couple of days but as others have said you do get used to the extra support and probably would begin to rely on it too much.

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    I done my right ACL in 95,and had 3 ops on it in the next 14 years to trim and tidy it through keyhole.Every couple of months it would collapse and i would land in a heap and the pain excruciating.There was a dull pain in the leg probably non stop,so i took the jump in 09 i think and saw a specialist.The bad news was because i had left it too late Osteo Arthritis had set in due to the leg bowing because there was no support from the ACL.Because of that it was recommended that a reconstruction of the ACL was needed and also the leg be broken and wedged 7mm to straighten it and then plated and screwed.Being a brickie i was told it would be a year off work,with 5 months in an angle brace and on crutches.I got the op and the recovery was slow and very painfull but well worth every bit of it.3 years withoot it giving way and any pain is nothing compared to before.If you can afford it i would go for it fella.

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    42 year-old former rugby front row. General wear and tear in my left knee with early osteoarthritis and ligament damage. I WAS limping regularly until I got back into the training with a personal strength coach. Lots of squats and leg work to build up VMO. Knee hasn't felt this good in years. Get the right instructor and work on building strength and stability in the muscles surrounding your knee.
    GPs and some orthopaedic surgeons stress what you shouldn't do. They tend to be very conservative and that's the wrong tack. As long as you're not experiencing impact, get to work on squats, lunges, backward sled drags...... Get a trainer to show you. You will be surprised how stable your knee can become.

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    I broke my left knee as a child and it wasn't fixed properly, actually it wasn't fixed at all as some very pompous sister in the hospital I went to asked my mother how I got into the hospital and my mother said I walked in at which point the sister told her that I could walk back out again! Honestly.

    The first suggestion I might make is that a private initial consultation with a specialist might cost you 150 - 200. Your doc would have to refer you but it might be worth seeing if you can find someone who is known to be very expert on this area and paying for an hour of their time. If they are going to recommend serious surgery and lots of scans then you may not be able to afford to do this privately but on the other hand they might be able to answer the questions you've asked here with some authority and they may even have some simple suggestions to make life a little easier.

    For what little my own opinion is worth I find that keeping the leg muscles a little bit stronger helps a lot and I find that going to the gym helps with this. Now I know the gym is something that most outdoor types treat with horror but there is lots of scope for non-impact type exercise such as the cross trainer which I really think helps strengthen the knee without subjecting it to more pain or damage. If you don't already do this it might be worth at least talking to your doc and asking if it would do any more damage, if not then it is worth a try.

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    Look at getting a proper brace for your knee, the best money can buy are http://donjoy.com find the product you want on heir website and do a search for a UK supplier. I have one of their shoulder systems for snowboarding after many dislocated left shoulders and I cannot fault them!

    Specifically look here - http://www.donjoy.com/index.asp/fuse...cts.list/cat/3

    Tom
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  9. #9
    Quote Originally Posted by Aidy223 View Post
    42 year-old former rugby front row. General wear and tear in my left knee with early osteoarthritis and ligament damage. I WAS limping regularly until I got back into the training with a personal strength coach. Lots of squats and leg work to build up VMO. Knee hasn't felt this good in years. Get the right instructor and work on building strength and stability in the muscles surrounding your knee.
    GPs and some orthopaedic surgeons stress what you shouldn't do. They tend to be very conservative and that's the wrong tack. As long as you're not experiencing impact, get to work on squats, lunges, backward sled drags...... Get a trainer to show you. You will be surprised how stable your knee can become.
    +1 My experience is similar to Aidy’s, I would see a really good physiotherapist, I had knee problems and was advised by the physio to build the muscles around the knee, for three years I never really did them, and finished up being kept awake at night with the pain at the age of 40. I them thought feck this, I took 7 months off my running and spent it in the gym twice a week on squats, leg press etc really working on the strength in the legs. Then went back to hill running, and 6 years latter no knee pain and a 5 hour stalk is no problem.
    The father has had both his knees replaced and he says doing the exercises has made a big difference to him and he is 77.

    Best of luck with it.

    Tahr

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    I tore my right ACL in 96 and it was reconstructed in 97. Advice at the time was to build up my muscles so as to avoid the reconstruction. Well I and in particular my legs were built like Garth but still the knee was regularly giving way. Things where much more stable after the reconstruction, however I can honestly say the knee hurts to some degree every day, I can tell when it's going to rain and when I bang the screws it takes me out for a minute or so with the pain. I DON'T (yet) have arthritis, but I know it will happen.

    I find using a stabilised neoprene support helps on cold mornings when I rough shoot and I can still run 3 miles in a decent time and I do a far amount of walking.

    I was advised never to do contact sports or skiing again, but I do run on it. My thinking is to keep it mobilised as much as you can to get the best chance of improving your pain and mobility. This advise was provided to me by a private physio after the op and it has proved invaluable.
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