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    Another "variation" question.

    On my current FAC I have, listed in the section "(ii) Firearms authorised to be purchased or acquired" ... One x .30-06 calibre ??? sound moderator (whatever that might be)

    I do not wish to purchase this sound moderator now (and perhaps I never will again). However, I do wish to purchase an additional rifle in a lesser calibre now.

    Leaving aside the perennial debate as to whether or not a moderator is actually firearm, I assumed that what I was asking for was a "one for one" variation. i.e. I was asking to vary my authorisation to purchase one particular firearm for another, different, one, in this case of lesser calibre to boot. This type of variation would be "free" of charge. My firearms licensing branch think otherwise.

    What thinkest thou?

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    When you apply for a variation you will be charged! If you dispose of a firearm and wish to substitute it for another you apply for a "one on one off variation - this is free of charge.
    What did you apply for?
    Usually a variation is for an additional firearm.
    A sound moderator is not classed as the firearm and there may be requirements/options to purchase a moderator with a rifle, could it be that your FA have simply given you the option to buy with or without the moderator.
    Talk to your firearms Officer.
    Last edited by EssBee; 18-01-2012 at 17:30.

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    Tom,

    I did exactly this about two years ago, I traded two moderator slots for a 243 and a 22, straight swop did it while I waited, no charge. I was being given the two rifles and they were also duplicates of calibres I already owned, it all went quite straight forward.

    John
    A clever man knows his strengths, a wise man knows his weaknesses

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    Tamus you should be able to apply for a one for one free of charge by asking for the removal of the vacant slot for the sound moderator and replacing it with a slot for another rifle. As you say sound moderators count as firearms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 8x57 View Post
    Tamus you should be able to apply for a one for one free of charge by asking for the removal of the vacant slot for the sound moderator and replacing it with a slot for another rifle. As you say sound moderators count as firearms.
    +1 I have just had to pay 26 for a variation for a moderator, therefore it must count as 1 x firearm

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    Quote Originally Posted by 8x57 View Post
    Tamus you should be able to apply for a one for one free of charge by asking for the removal of the vacant slot for the sound moderator and replacing it with a slot for another rifle. As you say sound moderators count as firearms.
    +1

    2.3 “Firearm” means a lethal barrelled
    weapon of any description from which
    any shot, bullet or other missile can be
    discharged, and includes any prohibited
    weapon, whether it is such a lethal weapon
    or not, any component part (see paragraphs
    13.69 and 13.70) of such a lethal or
    prohibited weapon, and any accessory to
    any such weapon designed or adapted to
    diminish the noise
    or flash caused by
    firing the weapon.

    “One for one” variations

    10.51.......................
    Applications for “one for one” variations
    should be made by the certificate holder
    submitting their firearm certificate together
    with a completed form 101 to the police
    firearms licensing department. Such variations
    are processed free of charge.
    In most cases,
    it will not be necessary to re-examine the
    applicant’s circumstances. Further inquiries
    will be necessary, however, if for example
    the application is for a change of use or
    for a full-bore firearm when the holder’s
    shooting club only has facilities for
    small-bore shooting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EssBee View Post
    When you apply for a variation you will be charged! If you dispose of a firearm and wish to substitute it for another you apply for a "one on one off variation - this is free of charge.
    What did you apply for?
    Usually a variation is for an additional firearm.
    A sound moderator is not classed as the firearm and there may be requirements/options to purchase a moderator with a rifle, could it be that your FA have simply given you the option to buy with or without the moderator.
    Talk to your firearms Officer.
    Be careful what advice you give here, some members could act on the wrong information, and end up in a lot of trouble, although not in this particular instance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EssBee View Post
    When you apply for a variation you will be charged! If you dispose of a firearm and wish to substitute it for another you apply for a "one on one off variation - this is free of charge.
    What did you apply for?
    Usually a variation is for an additional firearm.
    A sound moderator is not classed as the firearm and there may be requirements/options to purchase a moderator with a rifle, could it be that your FA have simply given you the option to buy with or without the moderator.
    Talk to your firearms Officer.
    Essbee... DL's advice is right.

    When you apply for a one-for-one variation you must not be charged.

    A moderator is defined as a "firearm" for the purposes of licensing. This is a one-for-one variation within the "usual" "terms". Apologies for being so blunt as to say so but, your opinion of "Usually" has nothing to do with anything.

    I will not waste anyone in officialdom's time in idle talk on this matter, it would serve no purpose to do that.

    The correctly completed form will be sent in. I will include a covering note explaining why, even though I was told otherwise on't phone, there is no fee included with my application and that note will also ask for a written response/explaination in the event that it is felt I have erred in my view.

    Incidentally, I won't go into the whys and wherefores of my circumstances but... we also have cause to put this matter before another Police Force's licensing branch simultaneously to the above application and they agree unreservedly with my take on this matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tamus View Post
    Incidentally, I won't go into the whys and wherefores of my circumstances but... we also have cause to put this matter before another Police Force's licensing branch simultaneously to the above application and they agree unreservedly with my take on this matter.
    Great - pit them against one another!

    Could be some interesting police-on-police action if they refuse to come around.

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    No idea what they were up to, to begin with, but Strathclyde now performing nearly as well as ever. "1 for 1?" "yes, that's correct sir, no problem"

    Only downside is; they really don't want me turning up at their counter looking for instant service, like the good old days. "over 400 applications lying to be processed" "staff shortages/cuts" and "new 'puter system" ... "expected turn-around 28 days" ... maybe a little quicker if I'm lucky....but ... Yikes! not used to this sort of delay. They say patience is a virtue though.
    Last edited by Tamus; 25-01-2012 at 17:55.

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