View Poll Results: What Qualificatons would be needed to manage truly urban Deer

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  • None Just a legal calibre rifle and common sense

    15 38.46%
  • DSC 1 Should be enough it requires you to be safe with a firearm

    4 10.26%
  • DSC 2 This gives you theory and a demonstration of practical safety while managing deer

    5 12.82%
  • An Above skill DSC plus experience in the urban environment.

    15 38.46%
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Thread: Urban /suburban Deer Managment

  1. #1

    Urban /suburban Deer Managment

    Urban deer are now high priority they tick all the boxes to present the public with reasons for control and present a future opportunity for deer management. But with that opportunity comes problems built up areas safe shots public revolution police involvement the list goes on what qualifications or experience should a deer manager have before he undertakes this type of management.

  2. #2
    Never mind qualifications probably a bit of luck!!

    Having spoken to a firearms dealer last weekend who was telling me of his latest trip out where he was greeted with the police helicopter overhead and the armed response ordering him to get his hands in the air.... This despite informing the Police via fone of his location and he would be out on his premission..

    From the above i guess urban deer management will always bring to light the opportunities of greater conflict

    More chance of being challenged whilst holding a rifle in your hands, more probability of being seen by the public extracting... the list could be endless
    Blessed be the sheeple for they shall inherit bugger all...

  3. #3
    Davie,

    I have been lucky enough to stalk your ground and seen some very impressive roe indeed, I take it you are referring to stalking ground like yours? If that is the case then I would say that as much experience as you can possibly get, remember qualifications do not equal experience. It is very difficult, if not impossible, to put a qualification level to qualify you to stalk deer in the urban environment. Having a level 1 on it's own does not add up to a lot as that can be obtained without ever shooting a deer, level 2 means that you have stalked/gralloched/lardered three beasts whilst demonstrating a knowledge of glands/hygiene etc but I would suggest that the level of safety awareness is heightened in the urban environment. You are much more likely to bump into pedestrians here than you are on the hill or in a wood, sitting in a high seat with your back to a main road, motorway, fields bordered by housing, 75% of the land being unshootable because of lack of backstop etc. It is not the environment for the novice, inexperienced or those without patience.

    I personally do not think that qualifications alone will stand you in good stead for this type of stalking, I think that experience is the main ingredient, the qualifications will also come with experience, but mostly it needs the stalker to assess themselves, ultimately they know if or not they are up to job.

    John
    A clever man knows his strengths, a wise man knows his weaknesses

  4. #4
    Quote Originally Posted by JAYB View Post
    Davie,

    I have been lucky enough to stalk your ground and seen some very impressive roe indeed, I take it you are referring to stalking ground like yours? If that is the case then I would say that as much experience as you can possibly get, remember qualifications do not equal experience. It is very difficult, if not impossible, to put a qualification level to qualify you to stalk deer in the urban environment. Having a level 1 on it's own does not add up to a lot as that can be obtained without ever shooting a deer, level 2 means that you have stalked/gralloched/lardered three beasts whilst demonstrating a knowledge of glands/hygiene etc but I would suggest that the level of safety awareness is heightened in the urban environment. You are much more likely to bump into pedestrians here than you are on the hill or in a wood, sitting in a high seat with your back to a main road, motorway, fields bordered by housing, 75% of the land being unshootable because of lack of backstop etc. It is not the environment for the novice, inexperienced or those without patience.

    I personally do not think that qualifications alone will stand you in good stead for this type of stalking, I think that experience is the main ingredient, the qualifications will also come with experience, but mostly it needs the stalker to assess themselves, ultimately they know if or not they are up to job.

    John
    Totally agree.
    " not the end of the world, - - but you can see it from here ! "

  5. #5
    It amuses me that deer stalking in the peri/sub- urban environment raises much discussion and harrumphing over education, qualification and licensing......yet boys with lamps and rifles are out shooting these same areas night and day for foxes/rabbits/crows.

    I suspect yet again the target quarry is the one that motivates much of the emotion in those that find stalking in these areas abhorrent or something that should be legislated/licensed.

    Personally I think anyone who is not expecting and thinking of anything untoward including a rambler walking into frame when choosing a moment to pull the trigger is not thinking hard enough.

    But a safe shot is a safe shot.

  6. #6
    BEWSHER A SAFE SHOT IS NOT ALWAYS A SUITABLE SHOT GO TO THE BACK OF THE CLASS YOU WILL NOT BE ALOWED TO PLAY

  7. #7
    Quote Originally Posted by bewsher500 View Post
    It amuses me that deer stalking in the peri/sub- urban environment raises much discussion and harrumphing over education, qualification and licensing......yet boys with lamps and rifles are out shooting these same areas night and day for foxes/rabbits/crows.

    I suspect yet again the target quarry is the one that motivates much of the emotion in those that find stalking in these areas abhorrent or something that should be legislated/licensed.

    Personally I think anyone who is not expecting and thinking of anything untoward including a rambler walking into frame when choosing a moment to pull the trigger is not thinking hard enough.

    But a safe shot is a safe shot.
    Having done it for nearly 20 years I find it nothing special, but those who hav just started in this part of the field find it quite a daunting task and TBH any help in this area has to be appreciated from those in the know
    If Davie is talking about his area then we are predominantly talking Roe, not the hardest of deer to control by any means , but none the less daunting
    As for qualifacations means nothing over experience
    Learn about the area , the public that use it , the deer and the deer's timetable the rest will become easy

  8. #8
    Davie

    Contact Burberry and get them to do a line of clothing in blaze orange so the wee s****s dodging about these areas are safe...

    Joking aside, I assume there are far more occasions where you want to take a shot at the right beast but because of members of the public close by, or the proximity to a dwelling you have to let it pass. So I would suggest a very important attribute leaving qualifications or experience aside is restraint!

    Not something a few folk with rifles have in abundance!!

  9. #9
    Ive shot deer in the grounds of Magdalen college oxford , google it , they dont come much more built up than that . We didnt have moderators then either . Ive also been called to shoot a roe inside RAF Brize Norton , i had to use a shot gun for that one . I would say any legal firearm/ammo , plenty of experience and insurance is more important than qualifications , but i do have levels 1 and 2
    Last edited by trouble; 30-01-2012 at 01:45.

  10. #10
    I shoot on the boundary of what was the largest social housing estates in Europe, lamping can be fun if you see one red eye it's a pushbike dumped in the field, not a fox winking at you. I was called to catch a deer a the marines barracks on southsea sea front once, the idiot from the RSPCA told the press it had swam over from the IOW.

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