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    Too Many Deer? Not Every Where

    I enclose a copy of a letter of mine that was printed in our local paper, it should highlight the fact that the SNH are certainly a body to fear... Also remember I am speaking for an area of Speyside where it seems the only thing some organisations want to see is tree's.

    Another October passes and once again there was silence in certain areas of the strath. I'm sure that some of your regular readers will remember years gone by when the glens in Abernethy used to resound to the bellow of the majestic stag roaring his challenge.
    Sadly this has been consigned to folklore now. The stag has been culled to such an extent in this area that there are very few left to gather during their rutting period.
    Scottish Nautral Heritage's George Hogg has gone on record in a reply to a previous letter of mine to state that the red deer is an icon of Scotland.
    However, when will SNH and the RSPB stand up and admit that their policy on managing the local red deer population has gone too far and put a stop to their current policies.
    This magnificent species is part of our natural heritage and proper management of their numbers is being ignored by the responsible agencies.
    Under the guise of conservation/regeneration, both organisations have been allowed to decimate red deer herds to an appallingly low level.
    It is a disgrace that this has been allowed to happen and perhaps some of our politicians who may be reading this correspondence will finally sit up and take notice.
    In the unlikely event that you are fortunate enough to hear a stag, it is quite likely to be a young stag which struggles to roar properly. In years gone by, the privately owned estates managed the herd population using time honoured methods which would allow the best of the animals to breed, and only take the older, younger and injured beasts out of the herds.
    This is not the case now with these organisations and it appears that any animal which comes into rifle range is shot regardless of the continuing health of the herd.
    I am very familiar with the land owned by the RSPB at Nethy Bridge, once known as Forrest Lodge estate and I have very serious concerns over their policies for maintaining, or should it be eradicating, the herd numbers at this location.
    In my opinion the herd population here has been exterminated to a level where SNH should be halting any further culls if they were to take their responsibilities for preserving our natural heritage seriously.
    What the RSPB seem to forget or realise is that the deer grazing on their ground today will probably be on another's ground tomorrow and that their culling policy will, and is, having a direct negative impact on neighbouring estates.
    SNH is a government body which we the tax payers fund. They should stand up to their responsibilities and take a higher level of interest in the current management of our wild deer populations.
    If they remain as ineffective or seemingly influenced by certain organisations as they currently seem to be, this particular responsibility should be taken out of their control and given to another agency with a more balanced interest in the matter. Small culls have been needed but not the mass slaughter that has happened. Yours etc,

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    A nice letter and would probably been better going direct to the scottish parliament and asking for a response. You see when the deer were counted in Scotland i am sure some one counted them twice and x the number by ten to allow for the ones in the large forested ares . The problem was that thew helicopters and the deer shooting posses couldnt get the numbers easy from the the tree covered areas so they just wiped out the easy deer on the open hills and glens. It was about cash for the cullers who were made up of any one they could gather regardless of experience and got payed by the load. sad but most people will take the short root when there is a price to work for.


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    I think 6.5X55 is right, such a well written letter which perfectly outlines events that are happening in Scotland today deserves more than an airing in a local paper. It should go to the top, Parliament, see how MSP's respond to an acknowledged icon receiving such treatment. It is time that someone in authority said no to the RSPB.

    We as stalkers strive to maintain a balance in the Countryside, it is not rocket science to realise that unless we look after it in a sympathetic manner, it will not be there for future generations. We realise that all aspects of nature need to be maintained in balance, we are not so blinkered to think it can only be preserved for one particular group or interest. We realise that birds have a place in the great scheme of things, and probably see more of and interact with them more than a good deal of their most fervent supporters. We do however realise that not everything or everyone is feather orientated just as they are not fur or scale orientated. There must be balance. The RSPB appears to be able to do just as they wish, it is about time someone in authority told them NO!

    Salmo Salar, I would urge you to consider sending your letter to an MSP, or the first Minister, he of all people should hardly be able to ignore the plight of a Scottish icon.


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    Well I have sent it on to the local MP along with this intro to it...

    I enclose a copy of a letter of mine that was printed in our local paper, it should highlight the fact that the SNH and RSPB are certainly not looking after the some of the interests of part of your constituency. I am speaking for an area of Speyside where it seems the only thing some organisations want to see is tree's. Both organisations are spending vast amounts of money - our money on schemes of regeneration and Capercailie protection. As for the Capers, have they once contacted the old gamekeepers who looked after the land when there were large numbers of these birds? I doubt it very much. No unless you have a degree form a university it seems you couldn't possibly know what you are talking about. I beg to differ and the RSPB's reserve at Nethy Bridge is the prime example. It is a shadow of its former self with regards to most wildlife other than Vermin and raptors. All done in the name of conservation/regeneration; to a visitor it looks beautiful and it is but the general wildlife population now there is a shadow of what it used to be, especially the Red Deer. Yes I like to see tree's and Caper. But not if it means the extermination of everything else. Something needs to be done as these organisations have gone too far in this area of the countryside. I havent meant this letter to be a rant but it should be considered a national disgrace what these organisations are doing to certain parts of our country.

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    An excellent post. The RSBP continually accuse gamekeepers and other managers of land regarding the alleged persecution of raptors. Yet here in their own back yard they openly persecute wildlife in their own selfish cause.

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    Salmo, You writings are well worth sending to the First Minister Alex Salmond ,conveying the fact there is a huge amount of revenue brought into Scotland, from Stalking ,Shooting & Fishing these types of correspondence bring ammunition for our cause .

    If your letter is heading toward a Labour msp ,you would have been as well hanging it on the back of the toilet door, Labour have absolutely no worthy interest in anything that remotely to do with field sports, or generated money from them .

    Ive written to Ministers in the passed to no avail ,some of the replies are just crap, these are the people that we vote in ,and when there reminded of that fact they don't like it .

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    Was it not just a couple of years ago that RSPB were culling foxes etc to try and save the Caper, a bloody good idea.

    Then they decided to stop culling foxes just to see the results on the retarded is that! They should have at least given it 50 years to try to get to a sustainable amount of breeding pairs before such a plan was put into force.

    RSPB cause an awful lot of problems in Scotland. This is just another disgusting showpiece.

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    In Wales the RSPB are paying 300 per day (night) for someone to shoot foxes on their reserves. One guy is making over 20k per annum! Not bad but really not publicised by the RSPB - I wonder why?

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    Well I must be the odd man out here; I think that many areas are too densely populated with deer and numbers need reducing to a level that does not pose a threat to the natural environment.
    Here in Scotland SNH are currently reminding landowners of their obligations in connection with SSSI's and SAC's.If overgrazing by deer is found to be a serious problem then SNH will push for a solution.
    My view is that landowners should show willing and address any problems now before they are targeted by the guys with the big sticks.

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