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    Method of tracking?

    Up until recently I always worked my GWP on a long line whilst training and tracking, but of late i'm of a mind to let her have her head and work her free running....

    Long lead v Free running ?

    How do you work your deer dog and whats your rationale for your preferred method?

    Regards,

    CADEX

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    Cadex i love working mine free and would do it every time i go out. But i do a lot of work near busy roads and while my dogs should be under control the fact they will chase a wounded deer on to a road is not what i want so i do both. I did find it a bit hard at first but nor now. Not BMH i dont want her near foxes yet lol.


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    You should really keep the dog on a leash,the dog then can be better controlled whilst training/tracking,they then learn to track slowly and methodically which is what you want
    The dog should track the beast along the actual track and not off to either side of the track,the difference between a tracking dog and a trailing dog
    What you run the risk of by letting your dog free run is it will start to air scent,ie run completely off track and go downwind of the beast and find it using air scent,ok if it's dead but if it's a few hundred yards away wounded you've no chance of finding it
    On leash is the best way,the dog will use the easiest way it can to find a beast,if you let it free run you can undo a lot of work you've put into it and not do the dog justice IMO
    Saying that sometimes you need to give them their head and let them figure it out theirselves
    Last edited by Wolverine; 05-02-2012 at 23:57.

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    I hope you not back tracking there George I will take my wee bitch out this morning and see if i cant teach her to suck eggs. For me its lead work first but you need a dog that will wind a beast every now and then. Its amazing how you can loose a deer that falls dead 120 mtr infront of you to a neck shot in the summer long grass.

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    I use the lead near roads and if I am trailing wih just the terrier as he doesn't make any noise when he gets to the deer, he just gets stuck in. If I use the two or just the big dog then he is free running and he makes a hell of a lot of noise when he is trailing the reason I trail him off the lead is because I don't have any problems with recall if he gets too far I can whistle and he'll come back and pick up the trail from where I am. I always think If you trail a wounded deer and it gets up then you let the dog off the lead anyway so why have it on the lead in the first place? I can see your point Wolverine about keeping him on the trail but like I said my big dog works close to me anyway so I don't feel it's a problem. Also in thicket the lead is a pain in the backside.

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    Me back tracking Davy,nah never
    In thicket a leash can be a hinderance but your dog is still better on a leash so when it comes to tracking a wounded beast the dog can convey a lot to you,ie you learn a lot by being there with the dog,when they free run they can invariably go too fast for their own noses and you can end up with an unruly dog as well
    Saying all this,if it works for you,the most important thing is getting the beast
    I personally prefer on leash,thicket or not

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    Basically Im with Wolverine. For the first few (dozens???) tracks, I wont free the dog until Im pretty sure the way it tracks, the way we interconnect while tracking, which I think its crucial for the purpose of finding wounded deer. Releasing when the animal is dead could be an option and even an advantage, but what if it is just wounded? Would the dog alone stop the deer? But what if even with a dead deer, the dog finds it and comes back without willing to get to the deer again.

    Each track is different, and depending on your dog, type of deer, terrain, type of wound, etc. releasing is an option. But as a general rule I will not let the dog run free while tracking. I have a friend who almost always lets his BMH track free, 90% of their tracking is Ibex, and his dog carries a GPS collar. Ibex is kind of different as will climb onto inaccessible places while wounded, letting the tracker arrive and shoot. Id consider using a GPS collar if unleading is usual.

    Id never release while tracking boar, female or male, with a courageous dog. Some less courageous ones could be released if you know that your dog will stay a few meters away of the boar. But you have to know very well your dogs reaction in such circumstances, so again I rather track on a leash first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 6pointer View Post
    I hope you not back tracking there George I will take my wee bitch out this morning and see if i cant teach her to suck eggs. For me its lead work first but you need a dog that will wind a beast every now and then. Its amazing how you can loose a deer that falls dead 120 mtr infront of you to a neck shot in the summer long grass.
    Surely before the deer fell dead in the summer long grass it made a trail from where you shot it to where it dropped. By working out that trail on a lead you get to the deer without any problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by th32 View Post
    Basically Im with Wolverine.
    Releasing when the animal is dead could be an option and even an advantage, but what if it is just wounded?

    That is where the breeding comes in. Dogs should be so selected that they are not too shy nor too agressive. That is why pedigrees are so important, an expert, certainly not me, can see at a glance what he is looking for.

    Would the dog alone stop the deer?

    Yes, when it is properly bred and trained.

    But what if even with a dead deer, the dog finds it and comes back without willing to get to the deer again.


    Training, Training and training.

    I have a friend who almost always lets his BMH track free, 90% of their tracking is Ibex, and his dog carries a GPS collar. Ibex is kind of different as will climb onto inaccessible places while wounded, letting the tracker arrive and shoot. Id consider using a GPS collar if unleading is usual.

    BMH were specifically bred to work off the lead in the Alps where the work was regarded as too dangerous for the heavier HS. Delighted to see your friend picking up that tradition again.

    Id never release while tracking boar, female or male, with a courageous dog. Some less courageous ones could be released if you know that your dog will stay a few meters away of the boar. But you have to know very well your dogs reaction in such circumstances, so again I rather track on a leash first.

    As above, training will show you. A few people in Germany and the Flemish Tracking Society have a tame boar to teach their hounds. Wonder if a Jamon Iberico pig would be more attractive for a dog? I certainly like the smell.

    Hope that answers your queries

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    Baron mate i could go over quite a few scenarios were there would be no blood trail at all and the deer would be lost.
    Last year i shot a very large buck in a well up barley field this was only 90 mtr away. But totally out of site after the shot i was made aware of a couple walking up the path with there own dog.So i made a quick get away from the area. I did not return for some 20 minute after watching the couple leave the area. Finding the deer with a dog that would only blood trail would have been impossible. But you need to be in some of these situations i feel. Sometimes its not about finding the deer trail its about finding the blood deer in the first place.
    Ps are you coming north to meet us all in may we have 10 confirmed dog men and 6 hounds amongst them.

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