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    Gwp puppy

    Hi Guys

    Due to the age of my old lab, Needs be, I now have to start looking for a new dog, leaning towards a GWP or a Bavarian MH.

    I have trained Labs, Cockers, springers, Sprockers, flat coats and a few mingers in my time, and have been out training with a friend of mine with english pointers for scent and hawking.

    Firstly has anyone got any info or a book to swot up on I can get to avoid some common errors and any sound training advice would be most welcome.

    About the breeds, GWP, haven't heard anything bad about them apart from being stubborn and headstrong, I can handle that over a couple of years being nice and steady with a bit of firmness. this my favourite at the moment

    The BMH I know nothing about these apart from, they can be a bit aggressive (perhaps) I honestly don't know.

    I have got plenty of time on a one to one basis and he will only be for stalking, I am not expecting an all round wonder dog, just a good worker with a bit of spirit.

    Any help would be greatly appreciated.

    Phil

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    Book about wirehairs=Guy Wallaces,the versatile gundog or same author,the specialist gundog,both good reads
    If its just for deer and nothing else get a specialist tracking breed IMO ie a Bavarian,don't get me wrong a wirehair can be as good but they will tend to be more headstrong
    As for aggressiveness GWP's from certain lines(German/continental imports)can be very very aggressive,worse than any Bavarian

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    Hi Wolverine

    I will be getting a BMH, The work will be for deer only and from information and research what I have gained so far the BMH will be better suited for me

    Thanks

    Greatly appreciated

    Phil

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolverine View Post
    Book about wirehairs=Guy Wallaces,the versatile gundog or same author,the specialist gundog,both good reads
    If its just for deer and nothing else get a specialist tracking breed IMO ie a Bavarian,don't get me wrong a wirehair can be as good but they will tend to be more headstrong
    As for aggressiveness GWP's from certain lines(German/continental imports)can be very very aggressive,worse than any Bavarian
    What is your evidence for that assertion? Do you have extensive experience of the breed?? How many GWPs have you personally handled?

    It's completely wrong of you to suggest that GWPs "from certain lines" are aggressive unless you are prepared to say what those blood lines are. Which are the "certain lines"? Please let us know so everyone will know which to avoid, can you do that? Perhaps you could also let the breed masters in Germany know, since they must have missed something.

    There are five different type of GWP just in Germany, never mind elsewhere. I lived in Germany for five years and saw numerous working GWPS, GSPs, Weimaraners, Munsterlanders etc. I couldn't say that any of them were any more or less or less aggressive than any randomly selected dog here in the UK. Certainly, there would be the odd dispute on a shoot, you expect a grumble when you bring 20 dogs together, but it could involve any of them.

    I've had four GWPs myself here in the UK, three of them - including my current dog - first generation from imported German GWPs. None of them has shown any unjustified aggression.

    Please don't damn a breed, any breed, without good evidence. My present GWP dog was described last by the decorator presently doing my house up as "a big poof", despite the dog taking his guard duties very seriously.

    As a breed, GWPs can be stubborn and strong willed. But that pays off in the form of persistance. A GWP will continue to search (e.g. for a lost pheasant or buck) long after the Labradors and Springers have shrugged their shoulders and wandered off. They also have boundless energy and require plenty of exercise (as are GSPs and certain others) so they are not for everyone. But they are not aggressive.

    I'm not trying to 'sell' the GWP but let's not tar them with a completely unwarranted reputation either. It's what people did to German Shepherds, Dobermans, Rottweilers ... and none of them deserved it either.

    -JMS

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    I have handled quite a few wirehairs,all good persistent dogs as you say the majority of wirehairs are very very persistent on deer
    What I've found with some imports is a penchant for cats and fox
    Aggressiveness in a dog for deer can be a quality that can be handy but not overly so,they love their work,there is no doubting that
    I have no axe to grind with any breed of dog and I will not name lines of the more aggressive dogs that I've come across as every dog out of even the same litter are all different,one may be like a lamb the other like a lion
    I'm not tarring any dogs reputation but at the same time most people will know anyway that wirehairs can be downright thuggish and headstrong at times
    Am I telling lies when I say this about them,I don't think so,on the continent they are all round dogs asked to work anything,which they do admirably but they can be a jack of all trades and master of none occasionally
    Any Ive had for deer(only deer)have been excellent but they all loved cats as well,imports too
    I would recommend them to people who have a lot of work and are experienced with dogs,not a novice ride
    As for not damming breeds,labs are a lot lot easier trained than wirehairs,can be better than them at deer as well and don't love cats
    Last edited by Wolverine; 07-02-2012 at 11:37.

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    PS JMS are they not bred to work feral cat in Germany?
    Correct me if I'm wrong,the breed masters I would think like a bit of aggression for that job,no?

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    What no answer?
    Not because via PM I told you of my friends experience whom has trained 100's of wirehairs,imports as well as dogs who have been in the country a few generations
    Every dog is different it's that simple but when people have had vast experience of a breed you sometimes do build up a picture,not just 4 dogs or have you had more than that JMS?
    OP you won't go wrong with your Bavarian,saying that wirehairs are excellent on deer too,they aren't just falconry dogs,in fact I'd say they're better at deer than falconry,not a novice ride though from certain lines(there I go again upsetting people again)they can be stubborn and headstrong but then so can a Bavarian in fact any dog can be

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